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Results from: Answers On or After: Thu 12/31/70 Author: Welsh Ordered by Date |
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1 | Father and Jesus relationship before man | John 1:1 | Welsh | 29204 | ||
For one area, try John 1:2,3 vs. 2. The same [Jesus] was in the beginning with God. vs. 3. All things were made by him [Jesus]; and without him [Jesus] was not any thing made that was made. Other Bibles mention all things were made through him [Jesus]. Here is the process, as follows: From God, through Jesus, creation is made. The Moffatt translation says it nicely, as follows: vs. 2 He was with God in the very beginning. vs. 3 ...through him [Jesus] all existence came into being, no existence came into being apart from him. This verse shows Jesus working in co-ordination with his Father, Jesus using the enabling power of the Holy Spirit provided by God. |
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2 | Father and Jesus relationship before man | John 1:1 | Welsh | 29203 | ||
For one area, try John 1:2,3 vs. 2. The same [Jesus] was in the beginning with God. vs. 3. All things were made by him [Jesus]; and without him [Jesus] was not any thing made that was made. Other Bibles mention all things were made through him [Jesus]. Here is the process, as follows: From God, through Jesus, creation is made. The Moffatt translation says it nicely, as follows: vs. 2 ...through him [Jesus] all existence came into being, no existence came into being apart from him. This verse shows Jesus working in co-ordination with his Father, Jesus using the enabling power of the Holy Spirit provided by God. |
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3 | Is Jesus God? | John 1:1 | Welsh | 24861 | ||
The closest you will see that Jesus is call God is my his own Father, as a loving acclaimation, as the following shows: Hebrews 1:9. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; THEREFORE GOD, even thy [Jesus'] God hath anointed thee [Jesus] with the oil of gladness above thy fellows... Regarding John 1:1, if you say, - was God - was a God - was like God - was divine all would be correct, depending upon the Bible translation used. [The argument of the-God verses a-God becomes moot at this point.] However, the words "WAS GOD" need the qualification of other scriptures to help realize that the WORD as being GOD is in the sense of Jesus having all the divine fullness of God given to him by his Father. Jesus is the preimminent representation of God. Jesus is not literally his Father at all. Jesus is called God because of his position of Glory, as acclaimed and bestowed to him by his Father. One point that helps is to realize that the trinity portion that says "their is no division of substance" could not be meant by location. The God Jesus is here; the God Yahweh is there--two different places. Again, here the Father [Jesus' God] is not proclaiming that his Son is Himself. Rather, his Father is acknowledging and bestowing upon his son Jesus Christ the title of God. For example if a boy has become a man, as through a rite of passage, the father of the boy might say, "You Oh Man..." Here the boy's father is not saying that his son is himself. For variety on John 1:1, see the Moffatt translation and the American Bible translation. These will give a different take on the wording. Also, please, remember that the scriptures [in Revelation] say, that after the 1000 year reign of Christ, Christ will then return everything in heaven and in earth back to his Father, such that everything will again be under God: Jesus' Father. Further, for people to recklessly say that if you saw Jesus, you saw you God in the Flesh, is totally misleading to those uninformed about all the scriptures. Also, I adamently express the following: The trinity was a religio-politico dogma trapped in all the "undivine" influence of a group of power players. The honest man behind the plow can understand the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit individually and in relationship, because he is not currupted as would be a power player. I would rather listen to an honest Christian sheperd than King Constantine. I think the confusion in the trinity is because it is VARIABLELY DEFINED WITH ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES, such as those influenced culturally, regionally, and denominationally. It is best to reason about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit without the word trinity. Greater light comes forth rather quickly when each is studied both independently and together. In Christ, as my Abba Father would have it. |
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