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Results from: Answers On or After: Thu 12/31/70 Author: bubbatate Ordered by Verse |
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1 | Self control and Spirit controlled? | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 52894 | ||
Continued from above....... All of the above refute the mantra…..”We are not under the Law (Torah), we are under the New Covenant….the Old Covenant has passed away.” Whatever going from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant may mean, it does not mean the Torah has been abrogated. Jer 31:33 specifically states that "This is the (new) covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law (Torah) in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. (see Lev 26:1-12 and Rev 21:3). The Torah still stands under the New Covenant. It is in the mind and in the heart…..meaning your thinking is guided by Torah and it is in your heart…..i.e. it is an integral part of who you are. How does this happen? Go back to Eze 36:26, the LORD’s Spirit will “move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.” Heb 10:15-17 (below) quotes Jeremiah 31:33-34, and introduces the quote by calling it (to paraphrase), “The Holy Spirit’s testimony to us”, affirming that the New Covenant is the work of the Holy Spirit. Heb 10:15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: 16: "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws (Torah; Greek “nomos”) in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds." 17: Then he adds: "Their sins and lawless (Greek “anomos”) acts I will remember no more." It is interesting to note that the Greek translator of Hebrews (which was more than likely originally written in Hebrew) used the word “nomos” for Torah (the Hebrew word translated as “law” in Jer 31:33 which is being quoted), and “anomos”, translated as “wickedness” (Hebrew “avon” in Jer 31:34). This clearly shows what the writer’s, or translator’s, concept of “wickedness” was……if he translates “Torah” as “nomos”……then using the word “anomos” for wickedness shows that he understood “wickedness” as “Torahless”. Furthermore, look where else “anomos” is used: 2Th 2:3 “….that day (Day of the Lord) will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness (“anomia”) is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4: He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God….7:… the secret power of lawlessness (“anomia”) is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8: And then the lawless (“anomos”) one will be revealed, whom the Lord Y’shua will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9: The coming of the lawless (“anomos”) one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10: and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because THEY REFUSED TO LOVE THE TRUTH (see 2Ti 2:15-19 and James 1:18) AND SO BE SAVED. 11: For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that THEY WILL BELIEVE THE LIE. 12: and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. “We are not under the Law (Torah)” is either the truth or a lie. I report….you decide. The word translated as “evil” doers” in Mt 7:23 (below) is also “anomia” (lawlessness). Y’shua is apparently talking to someone who thinks he’s been following the Lord and has been doing great things in the Lord’s name……someone who thought he was in the loop. He was somehow deceived (see 2Th 2:10, above). Y’shua calls him a doer of Torahlessness i.e. one who does not have Torah in his mind and heart. In Mt 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22: Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? 23: Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you. Away from me, you evil (“anomia”; lawlessness; Torahlessness) doers!” So…..the “Torahlessness doer” will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven……who will? The one who does “the will of My Father who is in heaven”. If the first century believers wanted to search out the will of Y’shua’s Father…..where did they turn? Again…..there was no “New Testament” to refer to…..they had to go directly to “thus saith the LORD”. there is more....continued below |
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2 | Self control and Spirit controlled? | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 52895 | ||
continued from above...... Do contemporary Christian teachings agree with the above? No, in fact, they vehemently oppose that kind of teaching? Would the first generation believer have agreed with the analysis? I think so. This dissertation would have gone over a lot better then because they couldn’t come back with a, “Well, Paul says…….” Even if they had access to Paul’s letters, would the first generation believers have considered them “the Word of God”? No…..they were letters. They would have processed the verity of his e-mails by comparing what he had to say with the “thus saith the LORD” passages of the Torah and Prophets. Yet, from whence cometh most contemporary Christian doctrine? Most comes from a “Thus saith Paul”, even if it seems to contradict a “Thus saith the LORD”. However, for every “anti-law” statement Paul makes, he contradicts himself with a “pro-law” statement else where….eg. Gal 5:18 “But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.” But he also said, Ro 7:14,16, “We know that the law is spiritual…… I agree that the law is good.” (just ask if you want more examples of Paul contradicting himself…….this probably has more to do with the editing of Paul’s letters as they were passed around and copied, or miscopied, and recopied, ….Paul was no idiot). Peter addresses this “Paul problem” in II Pe 3:15, “His (Paul’s) letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.” How do you avoid this trap? If Paul contradicts, or seems to contradict, a “thus saith the LORD” you have to let Paul go……unless you plan on having to give an account to Paul as opposed to having to give an account to the LORD. Back to Eze 36:26…..since the Spirit “moves you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws”……..If one is not so moved, can that person say in truth that he is “born again”, “Spirit filled”, or under the “New Covenant”? Consider Mt 12:32, “Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” This is serious business…….If one says, “we do not have to follow the decrees and laws of the Old Testament. “ is he speaking against the Holy Spirit whose very function is to move us to do them? On the same topic of a “new heart and “new spirit”, the LORD says, (Eze 18:30) "Therefore, O house of Israel, I will *judge you, each one according to his ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. **Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. 31: Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit (i.e. you must be born again). Why will you die, O house of Israel? 32: For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!” Affirmed in**Rev 3:3 and *20:12-13. What was one of the first words of Y’shua’s ministry? “REPENT!”. Mt 4:17 “From that time on Y’shua began to preach, Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near." (see Mt 7:21-23 again). Repent from what to what? Did they have a “new testament” to go to find out from what they had to repent. In light of Mt 7:21-23, I would say they, and we, have to go from Torahlessness (anomia) to Torah. But is all this really for us gentile types? Isa 56:1 This is what the LORD says: "Maintain justice (“mishpat”…this is the same word translated as “laws” in Eze 36:26) and do what is right, for my salvation (Y’shua) is close at hand and my righteousness will soon be revealed. 2: Blessed is the man (including gentiles; see v 6) who does this, the man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath without desecrating it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil." 3: Let no foreigner (gentile) who has bound himself to the LORD say, "The LORD will surely exclude me from his people……6: And foreigners (gentiles) who bind themselves to the LORD to serve him, to love the name of the LORD, and to worship him, all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it and who hold fast to my covenant—7: these I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations."…..for all people (Jew and gentile).” I’m sure this is much more information than you bargained for, but I felt I had to go into as much detail as possible to avoid stirring up even more questions….which I probably did anyway. The LORD bless you and keep you………Bub |
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3 | Self control and Spirit controlled? | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 52914 | ||
a continuation……….. What can one see if he’s born of the Spirit? The Kingdom of God (Jn 3:3 above). Can there be a kingdom without a king or a king who does not “rule”, i.e. make rules, or “laws”…..to explain what is expected of his subjects, or servants? Look at Isa 2:2-3 (below) concerning “the last days”…..”the Torah (law or teachings) will go out from Zion……Jerusalem”, the capital of the Kingdom to which “all nations” will go to learn the King’s “ways…..his paths”. To be submissive to the King is to learn His ways “so that we may walk in His paths”. The Holy Spirit makes it easy……He moves us to do this if we choose to submit. Isa 2:2-3 “In the last days the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. 3: Many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths." The law (Torah, teachings) will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD (Torah, teachings) from Jerusalem. Peter says in 1Pe 1:22, “…you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth….. 23: For you have been born again….through the living and enduring word of God (Torah, teachings).” Remember, there was no “New Testament” for the first generation believers to refer to. The original question to which I am responding asks….”How is it then, that we are to be both self controlled, and be filled (controlled) by the Holy Spirit?” As Peter says above, purify yourself by obeying the truth, this is the self control. What is the truth according to Peter? “The living and enduring word of God.” Where did the first generation believers find the living and enduring word of God? In the Law and the Prophets…..every “Thus saith the LORD” is His word as affirmed by Y’shua in Mt 4:4 “Y’shua answered (Satan), "It is written: Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God." Right there Y’shua says to live in accordance with “thus saith the LORD”……why would He quote Dt 8:3, especially to Satan? What is the “sword of the Spirit” according to Paul (below)? “The word of God” (Torah, teachings); again remembering there was no “New Testament”…..Paul wasn’t writing “the word of God”….he was writing about “the word of God”. Eph 6:11 “Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes…….17: Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.” What was revealed to John in the Revelation concerning getting victory over “the beast”? Rev 15:2 “And I saw…..those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and over the number of his name…..3: They….sang the song of Moses (see Dt 31:19, 24, and 30…the song is the Torah) the servant of God and the song of the Lamb (see Rev 19:30…”His name is “the Word of God”; Torah). This agrees with Y’shua’s victory over Satan in Mt 4:4 (above). There’s more………continued at Bubbatate 6/28/02 10:27 AM |
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