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1 | ... | Acts 2:38 | inhisservicealways | 147669 | ||
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2 | Do you realize? | Acts 2:38 | inhisservicealways | 147572 | ||
Don't you find it interesting that "one of the most perfect languages" is dead. It must not have been all that great after all. By the way, forgive me if I must call it dead, ancient Greek. Those adjectives much more accurately describe it than "Koine." On my fourth point, YOU are the one who accused me of attacking Tim's character. You only show your hypocrisy (by the way, that's Scriptural, as Jesus called people hypocrites too, right?) by making a railing accusation (which had nothing to do with Scripture) and failing to back it up. On my fifth point, Sarcasm is a valid way of making a point. Job used it too. See Job 12:2 Oh yeah, I almost forgot my question. Do you realize that, by your own words, ("The copies of the Koine Greek will have to do, since we don't haev the orginial.") you prove me right? People who understand dead, ancient Greek, have no more of a claim to reliable Scripture than those who use the better English interpretations of it? Here is what it boils down to, Searcher. I believe that God's ability to communicate His truths to people of every tongue in their own language (remember the day of Pentecost? Do you think Peter had to go back and tell people, "oops! I think you misunderstood that! What the disciples speaking in tongues REALLY meant to say was...") transcends the claim of a few elitists that they have the "true" meaning of Scripture because they can wallow in a dead language that isn't even the original. |
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3 | Thanks, searcher? | Acts 2:38 | inhisservicealways | 147480 | ||
Thanks for clearing that up, Searcher. Or should I ask: Thanks for clearing that up searcher? | ||||||
4 | Are you sure you reas my comments? | Acts 2:38 | inhisservicealways | 147479 | ||
First, thaynks so much for kaching my spellling typow. Second,the reason(s) that we have the NKJV, NAS, NIV and others has a lot to do with which manuscripts you are interpreting from. There are also several different ways to skin any given cat. Do you understand what I mean? Do you follow me? Get it? Okeedokee? (i.e. Those were several different ways to skin a particular cat.) That doesn't make any GOOD translation (I'm not talking paraphrases, here) any less Scripture than the dead, ancient Greek, (which incidentally, we do not have the original manuscripts of). Third, if you don't recall Tim saying that only the dead ancient Greek is Scripture, please refer to his comment: "However, when you read 'the KJV for instance', you are reading a translation of Scripture, not Scripture. The orginal Scripture for Acts 2:38 was written in Greek, not English." It logically follows that unless you can read the dead, ancient Greek, you have no access to Scripture----thus, the birth of the scripto-elitist (yes, I coined that one myself). Fourth, regarding breaking the sacrosanct Rule #2, my comment was, "To think that only those who claim to fully understand dead ancient Greek have "true" access to the Scripture is a bit elitist. Incidentally, Christ didn't cater to elitists." Please be so kind as to show me where anything in this comment is a personal attack on Tim (or untrue, for that matter). Fifth, I didn't realize that Tim had already PROVEN that baptism has nothing to do with Salvation. Wow! I'll be glad when that news gets out into the world so that scholars with a lot more experience and ability with dead ancient Greek can finally stop discussing it. |
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5 | Now, Doc... | Acts 2:38 | inhisservicealways | 147432 | ||
Now, Doc. No need to be patronizing or display false humility. I wasn't trying to be insulting to you. I'm just trying to call it the way I see it. One of the benefits of talking in an e-forum. I'm sure I'm braver here than I would be in real life. Blessings, inhisservicealways |
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6 | You need to rethink that one, Tim. | Acts 2:38 | inhisservicealways | 147431 | ||
I hear what you are saying, Tim. However, understanding dead ancient Greek is beyond feasibility for the average man. Hundreds of highly educated translators for dozens of English translations have all (as far as I'm aware) translated Ac. 2:38 as "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins." It seems unreasonable to me, after all of the critique and scholarly review that has gone into the various English translations of the Bible to say, "wait a minute: the word "eis" doesn't mean 'for' after all!" Baptism isn't a work of the law. It isn't something that you "do." It is something you submit to in accordance with Jesus' commandments. If it were only Acts 2:38 that indicated this, I would be apt to listen to intellectual mumbo-jumbo about greek grammar from non-ancient-Greeks. But there is a LOT more evidence pointing to Baptism being part of God's plan of salvation. I'm sure you're aware of it, so I'll not bore you with it. Also, I must disagree with your statement that when you are reading a translation of Scripture, you are not reading actual Scripture, but a translation of it. If you are spanish and I am English, and I wish to say to you, "I don't speak Spanish," I can say, "No habla espaniol." Now, what I really wanted to say was "I don't speak spanish." But I didn't, did I? I just TRANSLATED it. Does that make my comment any less valid. No. So, Scripture is Scripture regardless of the language it is translated into. To think that only those who claim to fully understand dead ancient Greek have "true" access to the Scripture is a bit elitist. Incidentally, Christ didn't cater to elitists. |
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7 | Why not just accept what Scripture says? | Acts 2:38 | inhisservicealways | 147398 | ||
It amazes me that people just can't accept the Bible for what it says. Instead, we revert to pointy-headed, intellectual contortions to re-explain Scripture in light of our pre-conceived notions. By the way, sorry for being a buttinsky. It all seems to fly in the face of passages like 1 Corinthians 1:25,26 "Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called..." Everybody knows that water, or being dunked under it, does not wash away spiritual sin. The blood of Christ does that. The question is, when do we come into contact with that blood, spiritually? Is it when we are baptized, which is biblical, or is it when we say the sinner's prayer, which is not biblical. Or, should we pull one little verse out of the context of N.T. Scripture as a whole (say, John 3:16) and say that belief is the only pre-requisite of salvation. Looking at the N.T. as a whole, and examining the doctrine of salvation in its entirety, would end a ton of debate and false doctrines. |
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8 | Are my dreams from God or bad pizza? | John 17:17 | inhisservicealways | 147343 | ||
Recently, I had a very moving dream, which seemed symbolic in nature. It also seems to me that God gave me an interpretation of it. I wrote it down and stuck it in my Bible to see if the issues I believe the dream represented will play out the way the dream seems to indicate they will. (It is too soon yet to know if they will.) Last night, my wife had a very disturbing dream, which also seemed very symbolic. Sitting on the edge of the bed, I prayed that God would help me to understand her dream. Then suddenly it seemed that the interpretation was obvious. I told my wife about the interpretation, and she found it very unnerving. I don't think I'm any kind of prophet or anything, but could God be talking to me through dreams? If so, how would I know? (I can tell you that the interpretations to the dreams do align with Scriptural principles.) I know that, in Scripture, God has often used dreams to convey a message (i.e. Joseph and Pharoah; Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar; Peter). I just don't want to be guilty of presuming to be hearing things that God is not giving to me, I guess. I could post the dreams and my interpretations of them if this would help. |
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