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1 | Part 3 | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94404 | ||
Part 3 This is a very avid description of what the Bible says that Jesus had to be loosed from. Other translations also give us descriptions of what is possibly the experience that our Lord had while He was in Hades: God hath raised up, having loosed the sorrows of hell, as it was impossible that he should be holden by it. (Douay-Rheims) But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. (New International Version) But God would not allow the bitter pains of death to hold him. He raised him to life again – indeed there was nothing by which death could hold such a man. (Phillips) But God has raised him up and freed him from the suffering of death; it was impossible that death could keep its hold on him. (Jewish New Testament) However, God released him from the horrors of death and raised him back to life again, for death could not keep him in its grip. (New Living Translation) Sorrows, agony, bitter pains, suffering, and horrors. This does not sound as if our Lord sat three days in Abraham's bosom enjoying heavenly bliss until it was time for His ressurection. For those who strangely believe that He went directly to Heaven and to the Father upon His death, the words used to describe our Lord's death experience do not seem to make such an implication. Furthermore verses 27 and 31 makes it clear that His soul was in Hades. All of these descriptions are spoken of our Lord while His soul was still in Hades. Therefore it is not necessary to say that only in Gehenna one suffers torment and punishment for sin. The Bible teaches us that Hades and Gehenna are places that have torments awaiting the unrighteous one that would enter into its gates. The evidence that some scholars use to make a case against the possibility of Jesus having suffered in hell is not sufficient in light of what we have seen thus far. To read more go to this web site and read the entire apologetic. www.victoryword.100megspop2.com/tenrsn/jds/append_c.html I realize this is a long address but it is correct. God bless |
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2 | Part 2.... | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94403 | ||
Part 2 Matthew 11:23 also speaks of Hades as a place of punishment: And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee. (Matt. 11:23-24) Again, the original Greek Word used in this passage for hell is Hades. When Jesus was speaking to the city of Capernaum, He was speaking of their downfall. There being brought down to Hades was a punishment for rejecting the mighty works of God. Since Jesus Himself spoke the two passages referenced so far and used the word Hades in both passages, I have no doubt that He was distinguishing this particular place from Gehenna. Sheol is the Hebrew equivalent of the Greek word Hades. In the Old Testament it is sometimes referred to as the place of rest for the OT saints. We have the New Testament verification of this truth in Luke 16:22. Yet, the Old Testament also uses it as a place of punishment and torment (2 Sam. 22:5-6; Psalm 9:17; 116:3-4; Prov. 15:24; Isa. 14:12-15). Now having established the fact that Hades (or Sheol) is indeed a place of torment, is it not possible that our Lord Jesus suffered there as a result of taking upon Himself our sin and becoming a curse on our behalf (2 Cor. 5:21; Gel. 3:13; 1 Pet. 2:24)? We pointed out this possibility in part two of our series of essays. We will briefly touch on this again. Acts 2:24-31: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. As we pointed out in part two the word pains (or pangs in most versions) denotes some kind of suffering. If Jesus had only went to Abraham's bosom then He would not have suffered any pains of death. Albert Barnes gives more insight on the meaning of the "pains of death" that Christ suffered: The word translated pains denotes, properly, the extreme sufferings of parturition, and then any severe or excruciating pangs. Hence it is applied also to death, as being a state of extreme suffering. A very frequent meaning of the Hebrew word, of which this is the translation, is cord, or band. This perhaps was the original idea of the word; and the Hebrews expressed any extreme agony under the idea of bands or cords closely drawn, binding and constricting the limbs, and producing severe pain. Thus death was represented under this image of a band that confined men; that pressed closely on them; that prevented escape; and produced severe suffering. For this use of the word , see Ps 119:61 ; Isa 66:7, Jer 22:23, Hoss 13:13 . It is applied to death, ( Ps 18:5 ,) "The snares of death prevented me;" answering to the word sorrows in the previous part of the verse. Ps 116:3 , "The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell (hades or sheol, the cords or pains that were binding me down to the grave) gat hold upon me."(3) Continued... |
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3 | Apologetic..Did Jesus Suffer in Hell? | Matt 8:5 | gracefull | 94397 | ||
I agree, it does not say Jesus was tortured, however, Hades was a place of torment and scripture says Jesus went there. Here are scriptures for consideration. Part 1 Appendix C Hades and Gehenna And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev. 20:13-15) In Appendix B we made a case for Jesus possibly suffering in hell and later joining the forgiven thief and His other saints in Abraham's bosom, ascending to Heaven, the place that the Bible calls Paradise, in victory having defeated Satan and his minions. However, as we briefly pointed out in note 26 of Part Two in our series, a case can be made for the distinction of the two Greek words Gehenna and Hades which are both translated as hell in the KJV. Quite often the critics of the Faith Teachers make this distinction when disputing JDS. Because the Bible clearly states that Jesus descended into Hades, the critics will say "Yes, but Hades was divided into two parts – Gehenna for punishment and Paradise for the righteous." I will prove to the reader that the Bible makes no such statement concerning Hades. I will make a case showing that Hades is currently the place where the spirits of those who have not accepted Christ as personal Saviour go upon their deaths. Also within this appendix I will show the reader that Gehenna is in fact the lake of fire where not only Hades will be cast into, but Satan and his followers will be cast there where they will suffer torment for the rest of eternity. Though it is true that Hades was divided into two compartments, nothing in the Scriptures indicates that the portion of Hades that brought torments was called Gehenna. On the contrary, the Scriptures teach that people are currently being tormented in Hades itself: And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. (Luke 16:22-24) According to the Strong's concordance, the Greek word used for hell in this passage is from the word Hades (Strong's #86). The Amplified Bible translates verse 23 in this manner: And in Hades (The Realm of the dead), being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. Other versions that use the word Hades in the place of hell are the American Standard Version, Young's Literal Translation, Wesley New Testament, Webster's, Literal Version, Darby, and the International Standard Version. These are only the ones I checked. I am sure that there are others that use the word Hades in the place of hell. I am amazed at all of the commentaries that boldly state that the rich man was in Gehenna.[1] This includes some commentaries written by scholars of the Greek language. Yet there is nothing in this passage or in the original Greek to make such an indication concerning the rich man. Nothing in this passage states that the rich man was in Gehenna. It explicitly states that he was in Hades.[2] In Hades this rich man suffered torments. The rich man himself affirmed this truth when he asked Abraham to send Lazarus to speak to his brothers: "For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment." (Luke 16:28). There is plenty of pain and suffering in the realm of Hades, which we point out again to the reader is not Gehenna. |
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4 | Offering? Or having offered... | Hebrews | gracefull | 88246 | ||
Hi Emmaus, If you would, please give further comment to the statement below. Specifically offering (present tense) his sacrifice to God. "The heavenly Liturgy is still real with Jesus as our eternal High Priest always interceding for us and offering his sacrifice to the Father." According to Hebrews 10 Jusus presented Himself once and sat down... there is no further offering sacrifice. Although we do have to ask for forgiveness when we sin, the sacrifice for that sin was made already. I know the Holy Spirit Old Covenant Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. New Covenant Hebrews 10:10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, 13 waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET. 14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. |
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5 | spiritual revelation to un- regenerate? | John 10:28 | gracefull | 87232 | ||
I, too do not readily say 'Once saved, always saved' if not for any other reason but that often I have heard people who were openly living in rebellion against God's commandments. there is no way to witness or reason the scriptural truth that those who are born again...who believe..should be producing the fruit of the Spirit... I would like to question one point of the above 'commentary'. "With full revelation they rejected the truth . . . They can never have more knowledge than they had when they rejected it." I question whether an unregenerted spirit can receive 'full revelation' of such truths as listed in verses 1-5 without having first received the revelation of Jesus Christ through repentance and faith thus producing the new birth. They could receive mental knowledge of the teachings, but the 'revelation' of Truth in our regenerated spirit is different. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. Can the unregenerated spirit receive 'revelation' from the Holy Spirit? God bless |
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6 | Where did the Holy Spirit go? | 2 Cor 5:21 | gracefull | 83119 | ||
"We must have scriptural support for all of our doctrines before we may accept their veracity." Thus the reason for the post being marked with the ??? "The spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit and is also called the spirit of God. To say that Jesus died spiritually would mean that the Holy Spirit also experienced death, which would imply that the Father experienced spiritual death as well." So when Jesus the man descended into 'Paradise" a part of Hell... where did the Holy Spirit go? God bless |
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7 | Define 'spiritual death' | 2 Cor 5:21 | gracefull | 83110 | ||
John, "My last point is that if Christ had died spiritually as well as physically, it would mean that the Trinity would not have existed as such during the time between His death and resurrection." I do not understand this statement. Please define 'spiritual death' so I can understand your reasoning here. It is my understanding that the spirit, whether man's or God's will never 'cease to exist' or expire. So to me spiritual death for man in sin is eternal seperation from the Father in hell. Conciousness and awareness never ceasing. So to say Jesus 'died spiritually' is not to say He ceased to exist but rather was seperated from the Father spiritually. The question here then would be...Did Jesus experience spiritual seperation from the Father when He was made sin for us. Does not the majority of theologians agree that Jesus was spiritually seperated from the Father when the sins of mankind were layed upon Him? Jesus Himself said "My God, My God, why have your forsaken me?" Did the Father forsake the 'man' Jesus and not the God part of Jesus? Or was the redemption actually God sacrificing Himself (the Word portion of the trinity) for sin? Just some thoughts... God bless |
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8 | Medium summons Samuel? | 1 Sam 28:12 | gracefull | 80020 | ||
Why was this medium able to bring Samuel from the holding place? Any observations apprecciated. God bless |
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9 | few chosen | Matt 20:16 | gracefull | 64870 | ||
I am having dificulty reconciling the last part (For many are called, but few are chosen) to the rest of the text. i understand the parable, but do not see how this fits. Thanks | ||||||