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Results from: Answered Bible Questions, Unanswered Bible Questions Author: Pete2 Ordered by Date |
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1 | Why? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120924 | ||
It is wrong? It is immoral? It is unetical? You sound very aggressive, so I know you do not have a problem with that. | ||||||
2 | They lack Apathy | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120911 | ||
You spoke very well. Better than I ever could. It is my belief that a strong civilization is sewn together by its commone thread, morality. Morality is an agreement on behavior. Moslem nations do not thrive and never will, they can't. Their morality does not work... Never has.... Never will. The only hope for that part of the world is apathy. Maybe we should ship them some of ours. | ||||||
3 | Apathy | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120897 | ||
Yes it is true that adversity seems to make people of faith stronger. That perhaps esplains the apathy the Christians feel in this country. It is my opinion that the backbone of this country is crumbling beyond repair. | ||||||
4 | Skeptical? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120852 | ||
I have heard many discussions on the Moslem faith. Their morality is unacceptable by our standards. It would be worth investigating. If you research it pro and con, you will be surprised what you learn. You will learn why our country works and theirs doesn't. You are sceptical. I appreciate that. I wish everyone was. Everyone should be. We stand to loose our own country to internal decay, the missionaries would do better to stay here and forget the eskimos for now. Everyone says that everyone has a basic idea of right and wrong, yet, if you question a person about enough topics, you will find that each persons morality is like a fingerprint. |
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5 | The culture war | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120851 | ||
I hear ya, they are doing many things. I don't want to make light of that or offend the people who are involved. It is a selfless mission. Having said that, let me address the issues you raised to make my original point. The Catholic church does not have enough conviction to survive at this point. They have an internal pedifile problem, Ted Kinnedy, John Carrey and Tom Harkin who are all not only all pro choice, they are pro abortion and they are also all for third trimester abortion, yet they have not been thrown out. Prisons? True, there is only one way help a prisoner. Install a new set of morals. Yet our government lacks in that area so much, it would be misguided if they got involved. The churches no longer have the power needed to complete their mission. It starts in the schools where they are not allowed to talk about right and wrong unless its "non god" talk. The stuff that they conclude is amazing and baseless. They are training the future prisoners of America, but at least each and everyone will know how to put a condom on a banana. Many choose to live in a bubble and home school. When the good kids leave, only the bad kids are left and there is less interfereance in their path. I guess what I am saying that there are 4 times as many battles going on as are being met. Again, I appreciate those who are participating. |
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6 | Cristians are a no show in Culture War | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120830 | ||
That is a fair question. I can not do that. I have merely heard the matter discussed. These matters have been repeated so many times, I do not doubt them. In addition to that, the news does not supply information to the contrary. Can you document anything to the contrary? Actually, back to the main reason I came here was to try to understand why Christians do not participate in the culture war. I would prefer you to address that. |
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7 | One sided culture war. | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120818 | ||
The bible is only useful if it fits into the world. If this is true, how can you study it without its application? The Koran is the Moslem bible. It also says that it is ok to kill non moslems with immunity. There is little condemnation for murder in the Koran. It is also full of sexual content. Do you doubt that if a person does a terrorist attack that they think that they will have a bunch of virgins waiting for them in Heaven? I guess I have been frustrated about the one sided culture war that has been going on. |
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8 | My beliefs | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120800 | ||
I want to start off by saying, I have no desire to convert anyone. If I tried, I would probably fail and instead strengthen your conviction. In the same light, I will continue discussing this only if you are willing to do the same. I have had many Christians try to convert me. They always ask the same questions and feel self fulfilled with their arguments when they are done. I enjoy philosophy, yet, having a Christian say that they do have the answers because they have the bible and I don’t, because I don’t. To me, that statement contains no logic. Every thing I know, I can prove. Everything I can not prove, I don’t know. It is interesting to hear all sides of mans evolution, but really, little of any of it is provable, there fore to, Is merely an intellectual exercise. I do recognize the bible as containing more wisdom than any document ever written. People would profit from learning it. All coexistence is based on morality. But what morality? Liberals in particular tend to say, "do what feels right". Unfortunately, that is the morality that pedophiles, con artists and other people use also. Evil people prefer to have a sliding scale of morality. They detest being judged. They see absolutely nothing wrong with their acts. All people rationalize. All people do things that are wrong. They use rationalization to supply exceptions in "their" case. So everyone has a "dark side". An Evil person though, will condone evil actions as right. So it is really obvious that civilization cannot exist without an agreed on morality. Do what "feels" right does not work. It has never worked. The difference between a successful civilization and a failure is the morality that was used as the model. There are hundreds of religions around the world. Most fail to thrive. Only the Judeo-Christian has worked well. No other religion has created the harmonious environment that the Judeo-Christian has. The governments around the world that do not use the Judeo-Christian morality as a basis for their government have failed miserably. Especially in the Middle East that are Moslem. The Moslem religion does not operate even by the most basic litmus test of right and wrong, "the golden rule". They endorse pedophilia in the Koran, the Moslem bible. They say the women are for making babies and little boys are for pleasure. That is an evil act. It is condoned. It is uncivilized. That is why I say, you can not go to the middle east and civilize them without taking missionaries The world has been trying and failing for over 2000 years. Atheism would be preferable for them. Fortunately though, as the world continues to get smaller. The Internet has linked all of the people of the world. Unfortunately, everyone on the Internet is nameless and faceless. As a result, Evil is having a "hay day" there. It cannot be ignored. Their must be a universal code of morality around the world to Police this up. Yet, the UN invents morality as they go. Trust me, they will not get to where they need to be. Not unless they base it off the Judeo-Christian ethic. That is not going to happen. Therefore, it will fail. All governing bodies that don't follow it fail. So back to the top. I am looking for the "truth". Even if it occurs in places I don't like. Like it or not, the bible works. Yet in this country, we are moving farther away from it and we have become very indulgent. This, in history, has been the pattern of every once successful, failing culture. Flaws in Christianity that I either do not understand or don’t agree with. I will list them. 1. It seems that there is a double standard for morality for the individual and for government. Christian governments can punish wrong doers, yet the individual is required to forgive. This would be interesting to watch a Christian Politician. Apparently they get to pick and choose. 2. It is my belief that the aggressor sets the rules. This is comical to see how immoral people use Christianity to their advantage. They cheat, lie, deceive. If there is a moral person that says anything on a public forum, they are viciously attacked and since they are human, they have flaws. If those flaws are pointed out, their own Christian friends will remove them from office. This leaves an office open, then evil has an elevated chance of filling the office. 3. Christians have a tendency to live in bubbles, ignoring many things that go on beyond that. Mormon like behavior would be impossible if there were not those that were willing to get down in the dirt to fight to protect them. And after this, do not even turn to thank them. Instead they condemn their process of protection. 3. “Turn the other cheek”, does not work for improving behavior. It instead, rewards mis-deeds. I hope that the above answers some questions, but I fear that it just provokes more. Pete2 |
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9 | Note? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120681 | ||
I answered it as a note instead of a question. How can I find it? | ||||||
10 | Answer gone? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120610 | ||
I had replied to this, but the answer is missing. hmm... | ||||||
11 | Justice in my view sesms better. | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120492 | ||
Good answer Angel, brief and to the point. I feel somewhat guilty... me being an athiest and basically using you guys as researchers. I understand my form of justice, and please don't be offended, but the justice in the bible, so far, does not make sense. You have explained it's view well. It appears that I must disagree with the bible. Let me explain my justice, just so you will know where I am coming from. I believe that revenge is administrating justice for personal enjoyment. Only an evil person would enjoy hurting another, physically or psycologically. On the other hand, a person has to use retaliation to a guide a person to justice. What is the difference? When you spank a child and insist on remorse, when the child expresses remorse, they must be lovingly forgiven. You guide the child in 2 ways as a result. you punish for bad behavior and you reward them when they see it correctly. Society must operate in the same way. If on the other hand, your 2 year old comes over and kicks you in the knee and says "i'm sorry". You say, "you are forgiven". Then he kicks you in the knee again and says hes sorry. lol. Children are born uncivilized. If dicipline is not used, you will be rewarding bad behavior and you will get more of it. People learn limits as they age, but not the same limits. Your next door neighbor may think its just fine to park his non working car in his front yard on jacks. Would it be inapropriate to shun a fellow employee for touching people inapropriatly? 7 times in one day? As long as he expresses remorse each time? Mormons believe that they can not even hit someone if they are rapeing their wife. It is a good thing that there are those who are not mormons, to make it a safe world for them. They live in tight groups, they have to, they are not living in a way that works in many situations. |
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12 | Civil punishment impossible? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120430 | ||
Norm, you answered it very well. How does this, then justify punishment being deligated by society. Especially before an execution, I am sure that they probably always regret what they did to some level... So, can a devout Christian diligate civil justice? Turn the other cheak to me, rewards evil. I agree that revenge is evil, but retalliation is what makes civilization possible. | ||||||
13 | The Biblical achilles heal | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120331 | ||
Yes, I agree with the "repent", "remorse".... I am suggesting that if a person does a bad act, apologises and repeats deliberately, 7 times in one day... I am required to forgive? lol, I must have expressed poorly. I was born a christian, and now atheist. But since our culture operates by biblical moral, it is necessary to know and understand it. And quite frankly, I can not follow it, if it leaves no room to not forgive. Some people are evil and learn biblical ways and play them like musical instrument. Those people really like this achilles heal on forgiveness.... Is this the same forgiveness that guy got his head crushed in, in the LA riots and forgave the guy who did it? Was he required to.... by any interpretation? Could he opt not to, even if the guy offered remorse? In Luke 17:4, it indicates that he had no choice if there was remorse. | ||||||
14 | Luke 17:4 is in conflict with 17:3 | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120324 | ||
How about "Luke 17:4 "And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, 'I repent,' forgive him" This passage says if he sins against you 7 times a day and asks forgigness, you must. 7 times a day does not suggest remorse. |
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15 | Is Matthew 6:14-15, in direct conflict? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120323 | ||
I read 17:3. I am with peace with that.. But I al so read the other passages that seem to be in direct conflict like.. ""For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses (Matthew 6:14-15)." That passage suggests that you, yourself, will not be forgiven if you forgive others regardless of remorse. |
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16 | What about mans forgiveness? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120009 | ||
That addresses Gods Forgiveness. I was referring to mans forgiveness. It has been my experience that often times, change is not forced till accountabiliy is inevitable. It appears though, that the bible only allows accountability from God not from man. I am not at peace with that. | ||||||
17 | Bad is ok? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 119855 | ||
From the responces that I have received, it is not right to hold people accountable for things they do not have remorse for and have every intention of repeating. | ||||||
18 | Is remorse necessary for forgiveness? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 119625 | ||
Can you forgive a person for a deed that they are not remorseful for? I don't seem to be able to find this addressed directly. Assuming the perpetrator is evil, they have probably blamed the bad act as the victims fault. Is this addressed directly? | ||||||