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1 | Do demons exist today? | Bible general | EdB | 243788 | ||
Sorry I was that I was not clear. My question was, what defines a Christian the name or a behavior within them or the fact they have closed all e trances into their being except those that Christ Himself opens. To clarify I believe there actions both Christians and non Christian can do that give Satan access into their lives. I am not talk about sinning as such but rather things that open our spirit being to attack. Example while messing with the occult is sin it also opens our being giving entrance to Satan. Likewise consulting a medium, tarot card readings, ouija boards, drugs, alcohol, and so forth. I believe to truly be a Christians we must be active in protecting the portals of our mind giving access to only to the things of God. I hope that clarifies what I was trying to say. |
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2 | Do demons exist today? | Bible general | Beja | 243797 | ||
EdB, Response to post 243796. I shall go even a little further and I will respond with what I THINK you said in post 243788 which has me confused and then tell you what I think I hear in the verses you shared. This way you can best identify where I am going wrong. To ease my copy and paste efforts I'm backing up and making this a reply to post 788. So you said, "To clarify I believe there actions both Christians and non Christian can do that give Satan access into their lives. I am not talk about sinning as such but rather things that open our spirit being to attack." So not sin in general, but specific sins are central to "opening" ourselves to demonic attack. Then you identified these sins as messing with the occult, mediums, tarot card readings, ouija boards, drugs, and alcohol. 1.) So the first thing I'm looking to be explained/substantiated in the verses is that the bible teaches that these specific things, and not sin in general are the avenues through which spirits are allowed to attack us. Moving on, you also said, "what defines a Christian the name or a behavior within them or the fact they have closed all e trances into their being except those that Christ Himself opens." Which ofcourse you defined as participation in the aforementioned specific sins. Then you fleshed this idea out by saying, "I believe to truly be a Christians we must be active in protecting the portals of our mind giving access to only to the things of God." 2.) So the next thing I'm looking for in the verses you supplied, is what is the relationship of obstaining from these to being Christian. Are you saying that obstaining makes you a Christian? That God will see to it that a saved person will therefore not do these things? What? So I come to the verses for answers to these two questions. Here is my take away on the verses. 2 Cor 11:4 You are indulging preachers of a false gospel/Jesus when you shouldn't be. Lev 19:31 Do not consult mediums or necromancers and if you do you will become unclean. Lev 20:6 Messing with these things causes you to be an enemy of God and seperated from God's people. So though these verses mention a couple of the sins you spoke of, nowhere do these verses explain anything about your specific assertions. They dont' seem to me to be saying that these specific sins are the very precise avenues by which we open ourselves to demonic attack. More, they say nothing at all about drugs and alcohol. Nor do they explain to me precisely how these things relate to being a Christian so that I know what you mean when you say obstaining from these is what "defines a Christian." I hope this clarifies my confusion. In Christ, Beja |
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3 | Do demons exist today? | Bible general | EdB | 243798 | ||
Beja Okay a starting place. I think we all agree that Christians should not intentionally sin, more over sin of any kind gives Satan and the consequences of that sin an opportunity to destroy us. The question was posed can a Christian be demon possessed. My initial reaction and perhaps I should have stayed there, was no a Christian can not be demon possessed, only demon oppressed. However I think it was you that made the statement that you were not sure a Christian can not be demon possessed and that got me researching. The first scripture I came to was Leviticus 19:31 (NKJV) 31 'Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. The word defiled jumped out at me. Admittedly this is not speaking to Christians but rather to faithful followers of God. It says don’t open yourself to mediums or familiar(demonic) spirits lest you become defiled by them. Implication here is this opens a door to demonic possession. To me Leviticus 20:6 (NKJV) 6 'And the person who turns to mediums and familiar spirits, to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people. Reinforces my take away of Lev 19:4. The second verse then referenced was 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 (NASB) 3 But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. 4 For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully. Admittedly I gave the wrong reference in my last post to you, sorry! In the verse depending on translation say different or another. Which implies the audience already has received a spirit. Since this verse is talking to Christians and says you can receive a different or another spirit other from a different or profane gospel. Implication here is that a Christian can receive ungodly or false spirits (demons?). As to drugs, alcohol and other sin we see in 1 Peter 5:8-9 (NKJV) 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. 9 Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. We are to be sober and vigilant. I think we all can agree we are not totally sober nor can we be vigilant we are involved in drugs, alcohol, or other forms of addiction and sin. It further warns us that Satan is walking about seeking. While it does not specifically say in so many words I interpret this as giving an opening to Satan to come in and destroy our lives. Here again I think we can all agree that demon possession would probably ruin our lives. I believe we have portals to our spirit mind. Our ears, our ears, our physical minds, these I believe must be guarded as Paul admonished us in Philippians 4:8-9 (NKJV) 8 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy--meditate on these things. 9 The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you. Interestingly the verse before this Philippians 4:6-7 (NKJV) 6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; 7 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Suggests that the peace of God guards our heart and minds through Christ Jesus. Again if your heart and minds are not on Christ Jesus the implication to me is we have opened ourselves for an attack from Satan. To clarify something that may have been misunderstood, I never meant to suggest that only certain sins opened us to demonic attack but that there were some listed specifically that to me implies they become gateways for demons. Like messing with the occult, familiar spirits, mediums, drugs, alcohol, addictions of any kind. I hope that explains or clarifies my position. I am still not totally convinced that a Christian can be demon possessed but I am not so positive that it can’t happen that I would not consider the possibility. That is something that in the past I would have never considered. |
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4 | Do demons exist today? | Bible general | Beja | 243801 | ||
EdB, Thanks, Beja |
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