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1 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243633 | ||
What is the argument for your position,? Is it that a person cannot have all these experiences and not be saved? Or that a person cannot have anyone of these experiences and not be saved? Or is there one in particular that he cannot have and not be saved? All, some or one in particular? At any rate the premise of your argument seems to be "All who have had all, some or one of these experiences are saved." Which one is it and what is your Scripture that it is so? I want to keep the passage before us so we won't lose sight of what we are studying: Heb. 6:4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, Heb. 6:5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, Heb. 6:6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. As of yet you've given no logical argument of how you deduce from the above passage the conclusion "A person can lose his salvation." I know a believer is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, but what is the proof from Scripture that only saved people can "partake" of any benefits of the presence of the Holy Spirit? |
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2 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | EdB | 243635 | ||
Here is the response to this question made by Tim Moran our once resident original language expert in Post number 24759 Consider the following: 1) The first term in Heb. 6:4 desribes the person as being enlightened. The word is 'photizo'. This word is used again in Heb. 10:32 where it says, " Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you stood your ground in a great contest in the face of suffering." These people are also described in Heb. 10:39 as, " But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved." So, I think this could definitely be a term describing true salvation and not just intellectual assent to the Gospel. 2) The person described in 6:4 is also said to have tasted of the Heavenly Gift. It can be debated what the Heavenly Gift is, but the word tasted means to participate in fully. For instance, this word is used in Heb. 2:9, "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone." Whatever the Heavenly Gift is, the person described took part fully. 3) The person in Heb. 6:4 is described as one who as "shared in the Holy Spirit." Can an unbeliever be described as someone who has shared in the Holy Spirit, especially in light of 2 Cor. 6:14, where 'metochos' (the same word translated as shared in Heb. 6:4) is used to describe the lack of a relationship between righteousness and unrighteousness? Futher, this word is used several other times in Hebrews. Heb. 3:1 talks about "sharing in the Heavenly calling." Heb. 3:14 talks about "sharing in Christ." I really don't see how these terms could describe a non-Christian! |
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