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1 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | justme | 243156 | ||
I know what Calvinism is, but can you please tell me what Hyper-Calvinism is, and what the big difference is? I have heard that some SB seminaries are teaching mainly Calvinism. I find some areas I agree with and some I do not. I believe a Christian can backslide. I have been told there is no such belief in backsliding for those who accept Calvinism. Any thoughts? | ||||||
2 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243362 | ||
"5. The most wise, righteous, and gracious God doth oftentimes leave, for a season, his own children to manifold temptations, and the corruption of their own hearts, to chastise them for their former sins, or to discover unto them the hidden strength of corruption and de- ceitfulness of their hearts, that they may be humbled;t and, to raise them to a more close and constant dependence for their support upon himself, and to make them more watchful against all future occasions of sin, and for sundry other just and holy ends." from the Westminster Confession of Faith (http://www.pcaac.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/WCFScriptureProofs.pdf) chapter 5, section 5. a Calvinist confession. This supports the notion of backsliding, if by backsliding you mean a Christian falling into grievous sins for a time, and not losing his salvation. (See also the Confession's chapter on Sanctification.) King David (2 Sam 11) and Apostle Peter (Gal 2) are good examples of backsliding. |
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3 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | EdB | 243363 | ||
Hebrew 6 doesn't skirt around the issue. Itclearly says a person can lose their salvation. And if they do there is no return for them. Now if someone wants to change the meaning of the words spoken in this passage they can but scripture is very clear on that too. Rev 22:18. I don't see the mystery. And I also fail to understand why Calvinist are worried about it. Live life holy and trust in Jesus for your salvation and there is no problem. The problem only comes when you teach you can live as the world and grace will save you because you were chosen. Such non sense! |
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4 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243478 | ||
I read Hebrews 6 and found no verse saying "a person can lose his salvation." | ||||||
5 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | EdB | 243479 | ||
Verses 4-6. It is taking of a saved person and says if they fall away it is impossible to restore them back to salvation. It goes on and says to do so would require them again to crucify Jesus for their sin. Then look at Hebews 10:25 it says if we are saved and willingly sin there is no longer a sacrifice for our sin. Two very clear verses saying the same thing. To be saved and then willingly sin there is no longer a sacrifice under which redemption for that sin can be found. I not do believe this sin being talked about here is a sin like telling a lie, but rather the sin of apostasy where we deny Christ, deny the Holy Spirit or deny God himself. |
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6 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243481 | ||
Here is the verses: 4 "For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame." Not only is the sentence "a person can lose his salvation" not here, not even the word salvation here. Since your assertion is not expressly given here, you must have deduced it from the above verses. Can you show how you logically got from the above statements to "a person can lose his salvation"? |
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7 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | EdB | 243483 | ||
How is a person enlightened? How have they tasted of heavenly fruit? How are par takers of the Holy Spirit? How have they tasted the good word and the power to come? Unless they are saved? How is possible renew unless one was already once in repentance? |
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8 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243630 | ||
You have yet to logically show how one gets from the express word of God in Hebrews 6:4-6 to the conclusion "a person can lose his salvation." Your argument seems to be that a person cannot be enlightened without being saved, that is, "All who are enlightened are saved." Can this proposition be supported by Scripture? This proposition too awaits to be proven by Scripture. For your convenience I repost the verses: 4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. |
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9 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | EdB | 243632 | ||
There is more than enlightened mentioned here. Enlightened,tasted the heavenly gift, partakers of the Holy Spirit. Have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come. If that doesn't sound like a saved person I would like to know how a person that has experienced all these things without being saved is possible. To be a partaker of the Holy Spirit certainly talks of a saved person, unless you believe Holy and unholy can share the same house. How does a unsaved person taste the good word of God? |
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10 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | Lionstrong | 243633 | ||
What is the argument for your position,? Is it that a person cannot have all these experiences and not be saved? Or that a person cannot have anyone of these experiences and not be saved? Or is there one in particular that he cannot have and not be saved? All, some or one in particular? At any rate the premise of your argument seems to be "All who have had all, some or one of these experiences are saved." Which one is it and what is your Scripture that it is so? I want to keep the passage before us so we won't lose sight of what we are studying: Heb. 6:4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, Heb. 6:5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, Heb. 6:6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. As of yet you've given no logical argument of how you deduce from the above passage the conclusion "A person can lose his salvation." I know a believer is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, but what is the proof from Scripture that only saved people can "partake" of any benefits of the presence of the Holy Spirit? |
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11 | Hyper calvinism and Backsliding? | Bible general | EdB | 243634 | ||
Yes let us keep the passage before us. Hebrews 6:4-6 (NASB) 4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. It starts out saying it is impossible for someone to be renewed AGAIN to repentance. The use of the word again insists they were once there. Who is that someone again the passage clearly defines them as someone that has tasted of the heavenly gift, has been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, has tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come. Yes I am saying to have all of traits used define someone is saying that person is saved. You need to prove someone can be described this way and not be saved. What is the heavenly gift? Unless you can provide scripture to show the heavenly gift is something other than salvation it is conclusive that the person is saved. What is a partaker of the Holy Spirit? Unless you can prove the Holy Spirit will reside with an unclean spirit there is no way not to declare this person saved. What is tasted the good word of God? Provide proof that someone can drink of the good word of God and not be saved. To have all three active in ones life is saying that person is without a doubt saved. If you don’t think so prove proof of your position. Scripture then says have fallen away. You must be some place to fall away. That place is then defined, renew them AGAIN to repentance. Notice it says “again†this is saying they once were that the place of repentance. Provide scripture to show a person can be in true repentance and not saved. Then it explains why, because to do so would require Christ to be put on the Cross once again, saying the first time they accepted salvation has passed, Christ would have to die again. The language and wording of this passage is clearly speaking of a saved individual and to disagree would require you to prove an unsaved person could be described this way and not be saved. |
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