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1 | In Search of the truth | NT general | FytRobert | 216809 | ||
Hi, When a person accepts Jesus as his Lord and Saviour and is baptized,what transpire: A. during the baptism and B. immediately the baptism? Your comments will be much appreciated. In Search of the truth. |
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2 | In Search of the truth | NT general | DocTrinsograce | 216810 | ||
Hi, FytRobert... Are you asking what transpires phenomenologically, salvifically, procedurally, or supernaturally? In Him, Doc |
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3 | In search of the truth | NT general | FytRobert | 216859 | ||
Hi Doc, I would like to receive your comments spiritually and humanely. Thanks. |
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4 | In search of the truth | NT general | DocTrinsograce | 216881 | ||
Hi, FytRobert... All of those activities of the church that are specifically prescribed in Scripture are what the old divines called a "means of grace." In other words, they are activities by which God has promised and decreed (of positive and sovereign institution) to channel His grace. Of course, they are specifically for the Body of Christ, the Lord's chosen ones, those redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb. Therefore, we deem that Baptism (the topic of our discussion) has no efficacy for the lost -- they simply get wet. Consequently, we cannot state that something "happens" when a believer is Baptized. Instead, it reflects something that has already "happened" spiritually in regeneration. It is "to be unto the party baptized, a sign of his fellowship with Him [Christ], in His death and resurrection; of his being engrafted into Him; of remission of sins; and of giving up into God, through Jesus Christ, to live and walk in newness of life. (Romans 6:3-5; Colossians 2;12; Galatians 3:27; Mark 1:4; Acts 22:16; Romans 6:4)" (1689 LBCF 29:1) In Him, Doc |
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5 | In search of the truth | NT general | Vintage68 | 216900 | ||
Hi Doc. "All of those activities of the church specifically prescribed in Scripture are called a "means of grace." In other words, they are activities by which God has promised and decreed (by positive and sovereign institution) to channel His grace." This statement of yours, is it in truth, what all of the Religions (Christendom) believe? Are there scriptures for backing up these claims? Or is it in effect the doctrine of Reformed Theology? "Consequently, we cannot state that something "happens" when a believer is Baptized. Instead, it reflects something that has already "happened" spiritually in regeneration." Again you make a very sweeping statement, as though it is truth. Isn't this again, the interpretation of Reformed Theology? Where is it found in scripture, (baptism), "reflects something that has already "happened" spiritually in regeneration." If I am understanding you correctly, you have interchanged the word (regeneration) for the word (salvation) if I am correct in my assumption, where is this found in scripture, that they are in actuality the same event? "It is "to be unto the party baptized, a sign of his fellowship with Him [Christ], in His death and resurrection; of his being engrafted into Him; of remission of sins; and of giving up into God, through Jesus Christ, to live and walk in newness of life." If it is only a "sign" as you say, is it therefore only a symbolic gesture on the part of the believer, that nothing actually happens when baptism takes place? Is baptism merely a means by which the believer has fellowship with Christ, this fellowship being the symbolic identification with the death and resurrection of Christ? If believers really don't die to the flesh, how then does engrafting actually take place if baptism is only a sign (symbolic)? How is it possible for the believer to "live and walk in newness of life" if the whole baptismal experience is only a symbolic gesture? Vintage68 |
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6 | In search of the truth | NT general | DocTrinsograce | 216925 | ||
Hi, Vintage... You asked, "...is it [my post] in truth, what all of the Religions (Christendom) believe?" (sic) No, there is no concensus among what you call "Religions." (I assume you mean Christian theological perspectives -- discounting the off-the-wall stuff of fringe groups like Russellists, Mormons, Campbellites, Sabbatarians, Universalists, Anabaptists, etc. There's a lot of odd stuff out there, as numerous as they are aberrant.) You asked, "Are there scriptures for backing up these claims?" Yes. I will post them for you, subsequent to this reply. I try to always and only espouse that which arises out of a sound exegesis of Scripture. That's fundamental to sola Scriptura. You asked, "Or is it in effect the doctrine of Reformed Theology?" Overlooking the logical fallacy, I post as consistently as possible with my profile. It would be dishonest to do otherwise -- even if I felt so compelled. I don't speak from so broad a category as Reformed Theology. I speak from a Historic Baptist perspective -- would you like me to speak to the point from some other perspective? I can do that if you like, though, I'm familiar with mainstream orthodoxy. The Baptist perspective is not just another flavor of Reformed theology, it has very explicit distinctives. That's why we try hard to articulate them, rather than to stand behind some sort of generic, unspecific, vague, unarticulated doctrines. We try to be well instructed scholars of the kingdom, expositing the inventory of truth that belongs to our Lord (Matthew 13:52). The principles of a grammatico-historical exegesis are not solely the possession of Reformed theology. They are pre-Christian. In the Christian era these principles were particularly espoused by the Antiochian School from the first few centuries after Christ -- remember, the church in Antioch was founded by the apostles, as recorded in Acts? Of course, as Christians we glean these principles also directly from the Christ and the apostles, because we see them exegeting in the New Testament. You asked, using different language, about the distinction between regeneration and baptism. Regeneration is objective (Acts 13:48) and baptism is subjective. In other words, regeneration is a work of God done to us, baptism is a practice of those so regenerated. Baptism is not something we do to get saved, it is something saved people do by command of the Lord Jesus Christ. You asked, "If I am understanding you correctly, you have interchanged the word (regeneration) for the word (salvation)" (sic) Salvation is a broader term that refers to the full blessing of our redemption. Regeneration refers to the single subjective work of the Holy Spirit whereby dead men are made living. You can see a more full explanation by searching for the phrase ordo salutis under my username. You wrote, "If it is only a 'sign' as you say..." (sic) I did not use the word "only" or "symbolic" in my post. Please do not put words into my mouth. I have a hard enough time being accountable for what I say myself! :-) Okay, now I'm answering your questions. Time for you to answer one of mine: Is the "non-denominational" church you mention in your profile a Church of Christ church? In Him, Doc PS So when do I get to send you that book so you can learn some of these things and begin to do the exegesis yourself? If you read this book I am offering you -- a non-denominational book, by the way -- you would learn a number of these things. I am not seeking your agreement -- goodness no -- just seeking to equip you. Regardless, I'm praying for you, buddy. |
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