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1 | Live over 2000 years Old | Bible general Archive 4 | CDBJ | 235776 | ||
Greetings, If you are asserting that the Kingdom came on the day of Pentecost there would be a glitch in your thesis especially since you used Matt.16:28 Is this what Matt. 16:28 says? Matthew 16:28 28 Verily I say unto you, “all of you standing here”, shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. i.e. they were all there for Pentecost, right? The answer is yes but that isn’t what Matt16:28 says now is it? Matthew 16:28 (KJV) 28 Verily I say unto you, There be “some” standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. The word "some" is translated from the Koine Greek and it is the enclitic indefinite pronoun “TIS”. If it would have meant all, as you suggest, The adjective “PAS” would have been used. The Kingdom that was being referred to is when Christ returns in full visible Glory, Peter, James and John were given a ring side seat for the later coming attraction in Matt. 17;1-3 Matthew 17:1-3 (KJV) 1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. When this finally takes place and the Kingdom comes God’s perfect will, will be done on Earth as it is in heavenand the enemies of Christ will be made His foot stool! Jesus won’t be seated at the right hand of the Father at this time. He will be on the move as displayed in Rev. 1:7. Revelation 1:7 (KJV) 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I must say you certainly formulated a plausible concept though that took a lot of effort and thinking. CDBJ |
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2 | Live over 2000 years Old | Bible general Archive 4 | fmp6954 | 235783 | ||
CDBJ i have know idea where you came up with "all of you standing here" I use the NASB and it doesn't say that Matthew 16;28 actually says 28 asuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. I checked the The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon and all does not I repeat does not apear under the difinitionss of some. Further more all the scolars that compiled the new american standard bible say it is some and I belive they are more intelegent than you are. Verily I say unto you. This is a strong asseveration, Christ puts his "Amen" to it; declaring it to be a certain truth, which may firmly be believed: there be some standing here; meaning either his disciples, or some of the audience; for it is clear from ( Mark 8:34 ) that the people were called unto him with his disciples, when he said these words: which shall not taste of death: that is, shall not die; a phrase frequently used by the Jewish doctors: they say till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom; which is not to be understood of his personal coming in his kingdom in the last day, when he will judge quick and dead; for it cannot be thought, that any then present should live to that time, but all tasted of death long before, as they have done; for the story of John's being alive, and to live till then, is fabulous, and grounded on a mistake which John himself has rectified at the close of his Gospel: nor of the glorious transfiguration of Christ, the account of which immediately follows; when he was seen by Peter, James, and John, persons now present; for that, at most, was but an emblem and a pledge of his future glory: rather, of the appearance of his kingdom, in greater glory and power, upon his resurrection from the dead, and his ascension to heaven; when the Spirit was poured down in an extraordinary manner, and the Gospel was preached all over the world; was confirmed by signs and wonders, and made effectual to the conversion and salvation of many souls; which many then present lived to see, and were concerned in: though it seems chiefly to have regard to his coming, to show his regal power and authority in the destruction of the Jews; when those his enemies that would not he should reign over them, were ordered to be brought and slain before him; and this the Apostle John, for one, lived to be a witness of. BEWARE! Stop trying to twist the word of God to conform to your doctrine and miss using the Greek. |
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3 | Live over 2000 years Old | Bible general Archive 4 | CDBJ | 235785 | ||
Sorry to have rattled you: what I was trying to do was to present a paronomasia. I realize what Matt. 16:28 says, but for your position to be correct, what it actually said shows that your opinion of the Kingdom coming at Pentecost can’t be possible. All of the apostles with the exception of Judas were in the upper room on the day of Pentecost “not just some”, which is what was said by Christ when He pronounced the seeing of the Kingdom coming. I won’t trouble you any further and again I’m sorry for upsetting you, my mistake, CDBJ |
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4 | Live over 2000 years Old | Bible general Archive 4 | fmp6954 | 235793 | ||
No you didn't rattle me at all I was just saddened to see someone abuse the the doctrine of God that way The Apostles were not the only people Jesus was talking to in Matt. 16:28 did you not read Mark 8:34 that I quoted? Out of that group of Peoplesome could have died before Penacost ,when the Kingdom came. by the way the Kingdom was Christ's Church |
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