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1 | Adultery always involves married woman? | Bible general Archive 4 | EmethAlethia | 233643 | ||
Beja, Sorry for the double post. I feel no threat, but there are a large number of people who do respond as those in Mat. 7:6 do, and there is a command of God not to continue comunicating with them, which does require judgment on the part of all Christians. With the first 5 verses, and the rest of the passage, in context carefully considered as well. If you have passages or interpretations that fit with the Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Cultural context, context surrounding each passage, of each the passages being considered, ... and we can stick to those I doubt we will see any issues like those in Mat. 7:6 that would cause a need to break fellowship. That said, in the last year, there have been a number of people who have just gotten angry and refused to let anyone discuss with me, simply because of the topic and the questions on the passages. (Dogs), and there have been others that just did a surface sniff at the issue, and went away without any real serious dialog, careful examination of passages, meaning of words, ... or any real discussion as well because there was nothing fruitful or of interest to them. If you choose to walk away, I can appreciate that as well. God bless. |
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2 | Adultery always involves married woman? | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 233657 | ||
emethalethia, I understand completely where you are coming from. I am a calvinist, 99.9 percent of the people I know are not calvinist. What has given me the most heartache in that situation is not that people I know disagree with me, but rather when they simply will not even look at what scripture has to say. They will simply say, "no that can't be" or as you say, simply walk away with no discussion at all, all the while judging me for my belief. It is as if they truely do not want to know what God's word says on the issue. When I actually find somebody who will look scripture straight in the face, acknowledge what calvinism actually teaches and yet ultimately tell me they disagree with me I count it an absolute joy. Even if they disagree with me I am very delighted because I am so use to people refusing to even consider scripture that I find it so refreshing for somebody to at least do that! The point being I know exactly how you feel. However...I also know how much that wounded me. It took me a long time to realize that no matter how sincere and pure my desires were, being faced with that type of willfull blindness hurt badly(I do not refer to non calvinists, only to those who will condemn it while refusing to consider scripture on it.) And for awhile it caused a bitterness within me and a skepticism towards most other people who professed religion. It took me some time to work out those feelings, and what I did not realize at the time was that in the mean time while I worked through that hurt, most of my conversations were colored by that. I found myself entering conversations actually expecting people to not consider scripture. I expected them to choose their comfort zone rather than the often discomforting realities of what God's word said. And my expectations doomed the conversations to be unedifying at the least and harmful and sinful at worst. I choose to walk away from this conversation not from an unwillingness to look at scripture concerning this question, but becaue I can see there have been many professors of religion who have done the same to you. They have absolutely dismissed your question with no sincere desire to see whether scripture agrees with you. I can truely see that, and I can see it has caused you the same pain that it did me. And I can see hints of the same hurt that it left in me. And I can see you expecting me to respond to you with the same shallowness that they did. That is why I choose not to discuss it with you, because I know from experience that converstations undertaken in that context will seldom end well. Know that you have my prayers and sympathy. Continue seeking to know scripture and to submit to it and in time the precious Spirit of truth will perfect us both. In Christ, Beja |
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3 | Adultery always involves married woman? | Bible general Archive 4 | EmethAlethia | 233661 | ||
Beja, I look forward to having a discussion on Calvinism vs. Armenian, as I believe that the scriptures teach that neither is 100 percent accurate. As far as being willing to look goes, on complex topics, where both tying in all of the passages that might apply to the topic, all of the related topics, and how they interact, what Godly men and women did, and what the ungodly did that relates to the topic, and how God reproves or corrects, or fails to reprove and correct them, … all pertain to issues like this. There are those that already have far too much on their plates who may give this issue a more thorough look later on, but do not wish to make the commitment. I know I have given this issue over a hundred hours of study time, and searching the scriptures to see if what is said is true is a lot of work. There may also be those studying all of this through right now, so that they can give an educated answer one way or the other. Praise God for them. I wish they would tell me, but most are already busy with their own studies and preparations, and to acknowledge that they are doing research might be seen as a commitment on their part as I would be awaiting their responses. There are also those that are angry and upset that anyone could possibly call their lifelong beliefs, and those of their religious leaders and experts that came before them, in this culture, into question. How dare I do so offensive a thing. To go against hundreds of years of what they “know to be true”, “Unquestionably so”, is a very serious offense to them. They would blot out my posts, and remove me from any room where they had the power to do so, and if possible, silence me in every other area that they could, in effect responding like an angry wild dog. There are also those that just know I am in error, and know that nothing they have to share will change anything, and so just ignore me. They would be wrong. But then, it is not my job to change anyone, just present the truth in love. Do I feel wounded, or hurt, by any of these responses? Nope. Each man is responsible for his responses before the Lord. The responses of others are not my issue. My responses to them are. Does Jesus command that we should worry about those that respond towards what we share like those in Mat. 7:6? Nope. He just says to make sure we do not have the same thing, but to a greater extent, when others present their pearls, and what they consider holy, to us. Then, we are to leave those that are not interested in helping us rightly divide, examine the scriptures diligently daily to see if what is said is so, continuously prove all things over and over again, and hold fast to that which is good/true, … for the wrong reasons, alone. Like I said, there are times when church responsibilities, family responsibilities, … preclude the thorough study necessary to discuss the issue responsibly, and I cannot get into a deep discussion on topics I have not thoroughly researched previously. I just note them, and set time aside at a later time to examine the topics, and the scriptures, discussed at a later time. No “doctrine” or “belief” is about me. It is about the truth. Some people aren’t hungry for the topic(s) I present just like I am not always interested in the topics they present. Feed the hungry, not the full. Just because I am not interested in steak tonight, and I want chicken instead, from a scriptural perspective, doesn’t mean that I am bad, or a poor Christian, just because I don’t want to do a study on adultery and polygamy, or do it right now, doesn’t say anything at all about my spirituality. Nor does it say anything negative about anyone else who doesn’t want to do the studies I do. It’s about the mind set of closed eyes and ears, of hostility, or casual disregard of opposing beliefs because of the arrogance of having “infallible” beliefs, and teachers who agree with us who have “infallible” beliefs. Those, I pray for. And I obey God’s command to leave where they are at, as much as is possible. They aren’t my responsibility. Hopefully later today, I will have the chance to go through the related topics area and see what has already been written. Perhaps my answers are there. Also, if there is a way that I can send you my e-mail, or anyone else that wants to do these studies, an e-mail, privately, let me know. |
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