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1 | Balance: Faith and Works | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 231156 | ||
Bill, If I understood the post correctly, then it sounds like a good display of historical orthodox Christianity. There is a sense in which we may rightly say that nobody will be saved apart from holiness (Hebrews 12:14). However, we must constantly affirm with Paul, and indeed all scripture, that not one of these works hold any merit with regards to our justification before God. Renewed dispositions and resultant actions are always present with true faith because our faith does not merely unite us to the benefits of Christ's death, it also unites us to Christ in His ongoing life unto God in an ongoing manner (Romans ch 6). And indeed, we can not go on blatantly in sin because His seed abides in us (1 John 3:9). Not that I am suggesting perfection in this life (Philip 3:12-15.) So because we are not only united to the benefits of Christ's death, but by faith and by the indwelling of the Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:10) we who believe are being transformed from glory to glory (2 Cor 3:18.) But all of this ongoing conformity to the image of Christ is part of our salvation (Eph 2:8-10) NOT a means in any way of meriting salvation! Our justification before God comes through the merit and attonement of Jesus Christ to be received through faith alone. So let us speak boldly of works in that all Christians must seek to be rich in good works (1 Tim 6:18), but let us always loudly affirm that all good things that we will ever do are devoid of any merit in our justification before God. For God's acceptance of us is from faith receiving both the righteousness of Christ on our behalf, and the suffering of Christ on our behalf. God recieves us for Christ's sake and not for any good thing we do. And with regard to any man suggesting a faith that is devoid of any good works, let join James and decry that as a dead faith, a mockery of real faith. Not because works are any part of faith, not because works are needed prior to faith, not because works have any part in our justification, but only because we affirm that those who are by faith united to Christ and justified by Christ will then certainly be filled by the Spirit (Rom 8:9) and will unavoidably bear the fruit of the Spirit in due time. In Christ, Beja |
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2 | Balance: Faith and Works | Bible general Archive 4 | Bill Richardson | 231157 | ||
Yes indeed, I'm in full agreement. It all boils down to our attitude. We can never, EVER think we can approach God Almighty on Judgment Day with the thought that we earned even the lowest badge of recognition for any deed or action we performed. I'm thinking Paul's example is a great one to follow; in spite of all his accomplishments as an Apostle, he still considered himself "chief of all sinners." What a great humble attitude. We should look at our relationship with our Lord and Saviour as our working off a debt as He paid for our sins for our very souls. I think this is made so clear in the Lord's Parable of the debtor in prison, Matt 18. That's why I think it's important for us as christians to adopt a ministry of some kind if it's nothing more than cleaning the building on a regular basis. Again this is clearly depicted in Jesus' Parable of the three men and their talents, Matt 25. It seems so ironic that the word talents has a dual meaning, the one used in the first century referring to money and the way we now use it referring to our skills or abilities to do something well. All of us should look about us throughout our respective congregations and see if there's some hole or ministry NOT being done that can match one of our talents and then go to work. It's ideal if no one else knows or sees our endeavors in such a ministry, as our Lord will reward us in Heaven. Matt 6:1 “Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. Now of course, we should exercise due care and make certain we're taking some ministry away from someone else. It might be OK to approach such an individual and see if they're interested in taking on a partner and rotate so as to share the burden of work. But it's so much better if we can find that something that's NOT being done but needs doing. But as you've said, it's absolutely PARAMOUNT that all of this is done with the proper attitude of complete humility and submission to our Saviour. We must never even think a hint of pride in what we're doing for our Lord. 1 Pet 1:13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance; 15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.” 17 And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; Thanks be to God for His Mercy and Grace. Go with God in all His Ways. Bill |
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3 | Balance: Faith and Works | Bible general Archive 4 | BradK | 231164 | ||
Hi Bill, Could you clarify a statement you made? You said, "We should look at our relationship with our Lord and Saviour as our working off a debt as He paid for our sins for our very souls. I think this is made so clear in the Lord's Parable of the debtor in prison, Matt 18. That's why I think it's important for us as christians to adopt a ministry of some kind if it's nothing more than cleaning the building on a regular basis." Are you suggesting salvation entails us workig to repay this debt to our Lord? Are you suggesting we to do this in order to maintain salvation? Or, are you suggesting we do this in order to show we are saved (cf Eph. 2:10)? I hope you're not implying that we do this to merit (earn) any justification before God? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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4 | Balance: Faith and Works | Bible general Archive 4 | Bill Richardson | 231168 | ||
Quoted for reference: On previous post Bill said, "We should look at our relationship with our Lord and Saviour as our working off a debt as He paid for our sins for our very souls. I think this is made so clear in the Lord's Parable of the debtor in prison, Matt 18. That's why I think it's important for us as christians to adopt a ministry of some kind if it's nothing more than cleaning the building on a regular basis." BradK said: Are you suggesting salvation entails us workig to repay this debt to our Lord? Are you suggesting we to do this in order to maintain salvation? Or, are you suggesting we do this in order to show we are saved (cf Eph. 2:10)? Response: I thought my previous post made this clear. Seems like I said we can never, EVER even begin to think we can gain anything by these "works of faith." We should do them as proof of our genuine faith. James makes it very clear: the conjunction "and" marries these two items for a true christian. Faith and works go together like all the other couples in the Bible. We see that we must "worship God in Spirit AND in Truth," John 4:24. We must love God first and foremost BUT we must also love our fellow man, 1 John 2:9-11. Does this mean our walk with God is like a balancing act? I think that might be an extreme way of putting but to some degree, God does want us to do our best. I do agree with the sentiment of your post; I do think we must always place our faith in God far above our works. It's just that we can't take this position as a license to get out of working for the Lord. BradK said: I hope you're not implying that we do this to merit (earn) any justification before God? Response: No, please don't misunderstand. See above. As a matter of fact, as you alluding to, any hint of such pride in such an attempt to earn might be just the thing that keeps us out of Heaven forever. Prov 16:18 Pride goes before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall. 19 Better to be of a humble spirit with the lowly, Than to divide the spoil with the proud. 20 He who heeds the word wisely will find good, And whoever trusts in the Lord, happy is he. I hope this is an adequate response; gotta go to school and get myself all edumacated. I'll check back with you later this evening. Thanks for the dialouge. Go with God in all His Ways, Bill |
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