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1 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 226276 | ||
I am a Jewish believer. I will happily "summarily discount the Talmud and Jewish oral tradition." I am able to do that because God has summarily discounted them. "How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie. The wise men are put to shame, They are dismayed and caught; Behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, And what kind of wisdom do they have?" (Jeremiah 8:8-9 NASB) "And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form. You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He sent. You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;" (John 5:37-39 NASB) "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did. Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become; you who received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it." (Acts 7:51-53 NASB) "Woe to you! For you build the tombs of the prophets, and it was your fathers who killed them. So you are witnesses and approve the deeds of your fathers; because it was they who killed them, and you build their tombs. For this reason also the wisdom of God said, 'I will send to them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill and some they will persecute, so that the blood of all the prophets, shed since the foundation of the world, may be charged against this generation, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the house of God; yes, I tell you, it shall be charged against this generation.' Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge; you yourselves did not enter, and you hindered those who were entering." (Luke 11:47-52 NASB) I would rather listen to the Pope than listen to those who have overtly and explicitly rejected the Word become flesh. |
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2 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | EdB | 226281 | ||
I totally agree we should always reject anything the conflicts with scripture. Scripture is the standard. However in this case the Talmud does not disagree with scripture but confirms scripture. The historical Jewish view of Hades as described in the Talmud and Jewsih oral tradition is nearly identical to the picture painted by our Lord Jesus Christ in Luke 16:19-31. Therefore since the Talmud and oral traditions align with scripture Luke 16:19-31 in this case I don't see a problem. |
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3 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 226283 | ||
Let me explain... Joseph Smith, Aleister Crowly, and Richard Dawkins sometimes align with scripture, too. I had a theology professor who used to say, "Even a blind hog can stumble upon an acorn from time to time." As one of the ancient church fathers put it, "Every page of the Bible is a hymn to Christ." A right conclusion arising from antichrist is the worse kind of error. We teach others sola scriptura in word, thought, and deed... the doctrine does not external bolstering. The axe was laid at the root (Luke 3:9) for good reason (Ezekiel 15:1-5). We do well to observe why they were removed, and make great effort to avoid the error that was left for an example to us. Furthermore, we have too many modern Judaizers -- even in the forum -- to leave any room to fuel their error. Please have mercy on the silent flock. |
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4 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | EdB | 226287 | ||
You are taking a view of Judaism that is not universally taken by all schools of orthodox Christian theology. Your view is called the reformed view and not all share that view of Jews. But no matter, I did not quote the Talmud as an authority on matter but rather to show what the Jews believed before Jesus ever spoke this parable. The real question to me is, if the Jews had a distorted or incorrect view of Hades would Jesus have reinforced it by repeating it in his teaching? I think not. If the view was in fact wrong I would think Jesus would have said you believe this but you are wrong as He often did. However in this case we see no such correction being made. I believe that fact and that fact alone confirms that Jewish view of Hades was indeed correct. And that Jesus included it in his parable because it was known to all the listeners and would make sense to them. Again I did not reference the Talmud as anything other than a historical account of what the Jews already believed. |
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5 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 226292 | ||
Thank you for the reminder of my orthodoxy. Thank you for the reiteration of your reiteration. Let's see what we can do about sticking with Lockman's objectives. Please? |
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6 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | EdB | 226295 | ||
Why is repeating of a common interpretation of Luke 16:19-31 a reiteration while you and others telling me I'm wrong is not? I believe Lockman's objective is to study the Bible and when there are differences of interpretation to objectively present both sides without calling one right and one wrong or trying to impeach one by suggestting it is less than Biblical. Is that not the objective? |
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