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1 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | EdB | 226286 | ||
I totally agree with Hank's view when scripture is silent. And I think we would all be wise to remember this quote. However on the subject in question, silence is not the case. Jesus clearly painted a word picture of Hades. There are those that say we should discount the picture as only a parable and retain only the lesson the picture taught. Others like myself believe we should view the picture as painted and forgetting the many subtitles of theology accept what we see as a child would. Luke 18:17. If a child were to hear this parable, I believe would see both the picture as painted and hopefully also retain the lesson Jesus developed in the parable. Nothing more, but nothing less. Now if this violates the spirit of the forum, I think not, but if so, I do apologize. |
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2 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226288 | ||
EdB, You keep saying that in luke 16 "Jesus clearly painted a word picture of Hades." May I ask what specifically in that passage you would point to in order to prove that Jesus is speaking of two sections of Hell as oppossed to one person in Hell and another person in heaven being comforted by Abraham? In Christ, Beja |
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3 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 226289 | ||
Thread, I can't help but to think about my own question, and what possible answers there might be in the passage. First I've shown clearly that the passages displays Abraham himself as being there. But if I recall at some point it was asked, how can one be IN another person's bosom? As if that would show that clearly a location must be meant by Abraham's bosom and not Lazarath being held to Abraham, the person's, side. Let's see if this holds up to scripture. Look with me at John 13:23 Here it is in the NASB Joh 13:23 There was reclining on Jesus' bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved. Here again in young's literal Joh 13:23 And there was one of his disciples reclining (at meat) in the bosom of Jesus, whom Jesus was loving; I post YLT, because the NASB here has cleaned itup some for english. In the Greek both Luke16:23 and John 13:23 use the greek preposition en. It quite literally says that as they reclined there, John was "in" Jesus' bosom. However, quite clearly it meant laying upon his bosom, hence the NASB making it more understandable. So clearly "in his bosom" can very comfortably mean being held at Abraham's side. If this is not enough see these verses. Gen 16:5, Exo 4:6, Num 11:2, Ruth 4:16, 2 Sam 12:18, 1 Kin 1:2, 1 King 3:20, 1 King 17:19, Prov 6:27, Isa 40:11, Isa 49:22, Micah 7:5, Luke 6:38, John 1:18. I hope this shows conclusively that the word "in" is no reason to interpret Abraham's bosom as anything other than the man's bosom. However, lets see what Gill has to say. I dare say he's a man who knows Jewish thought quite well. Abraham's bosom is meant heaven, a phrase well known to the Jews, by which they commonly expressed the happiness of the future state: of Abraham's happy state they had no doubt; and when they spake of the happiness of another's, they sometimes signified it by going to Abraham. I know it might offend EdB that I continue the discussion after we called it off. Yet I feel that continuing to speak as if it is a given that luke is saying this deserves to be challenged, and that he should exegetically defend his interpretation of the passage before continuing to present it as a given. In Christ, Beja |
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4 | where is Christ battling Satan in HELL | Bible general Archive 4 | EdB | 226293 | ||
To prove your point you refer to Gill but when I refer to the Talmud I'm in violation of Sola Scriptura. Is it fair to have two standards? One for you and another for me? Of course "in" can mean "in" as literally in or as meaning "in" as in being near. In heaven does our comfort come from another or from the Lord. When I get to heaven I may enjoy talking to Abraham but my comfort will come from the presence of the Lord. I won't be resting in Abraham's bosom if I understand scripture correctly. See there is something really missing in this description if it is of Heaven. That being the presence of the Lord which from all scripture I read "over shadows" all else. Abraham may be a great friend BUT my comfort comes from the comforter. |
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