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1 | The error addressed in 2 Peter | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 224811 | ||
Doc, Two things: 1.) You said, "Remember, in Judaic thinking, Gentiles are not subject to the Mosaic Law, only to the Nohaic Law." Can you elaborate on that? I've never heard anybody say such a thing and would love to better understand what you are saying. 2.) The reason I suspect antinomianism is a big error in Peter's mind isn't based on the use of any given greek word. Rather it seems to be the cumulative sum of the book. First, it seems clear that the people he are rebuking are actually in the Church. So they are professing Christians. Second, he repeatedly focuses on how they eagerly sin. He focuses on it so much in fact, that it begins to feel like that is actually the error he is rebuking and not simply that the main error is accompanied by this rampant sin. I actually begin to feel like the error of the teaching is that it allows that. Also, in the first chapter when he is giving positive advice rather than rebuking, it still seems he is speaking against a Christian life that continues in sin. Then I see its close parallels to Jude, who seems to focus on the same three major errors that 2 Peter does, and I read in Jude 4, "For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." Now turning grace into licentousness really sounds like their teaching turned the grace of God into license to sin. This is why I ask the question. Though to be clear, I would not and do not suggest that antinomianism is the only error being addressed in the book. In Christ, Beja |
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2 | The error addressed in 2 Peter | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 224853 | ||
Dear Pastor Beja, Concerning your question/comment #2: I agree, that the audience is the church. However, I do not think he is rebuking the false teachers, rather he is characterizing them. They are in the church, denying Christ, blind, under judgment and preserved for judgment, sensual, greedy, exploitive, immoral, rebellious, independent, bold, self-willed, arrogant, irrational, ignorant, apostate, unashamed, revelers, insatiable, adulterous, licentious, immature, loud, boastful, errant, enslaved to sin, scornful, unstable, corrupt, enticers, etc. The Greek word "autos" occurs 24 times in 2 Peter... self self self! Speaking of word counts, have you noticed how often the words "gnosis" (knowledge), "epignosis" (deep knowledge), "ginosko" (knowing), and "epiginosko" (thorough knowing)? John makes even heavier use of those words in dealing with the gnosticism. Just thinking, but I wonder if that error might have been primarily in Peter's mind? Regardless of the particular error, clearly the response of the believer is to grow in the grounding of those things that God has already provided: the Scriptures. I have to admit, I love these epistles. In Him, Doc PS Have you ever thought of how 2 Peter 1:1-10 might be portrayed in a diagram? |
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3 | The error addressed in 2 Peter | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 224854 | ||
Doc, I did notice the emphasis on those "knowing" words. I wonder what significance, if any, there is in his choices of which he used at various times. However, I've not had time to study the book in the greek. I believe I have diagrammed 2 Peter 1:1-10 before but its been too long. This question came up just in my own devotional time rather than any in depth study. I did as a result preach on the passage drawing out how it flows from what God has already done for us and then moves into what we are to pursue. In Christ, Beja |
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4 | The error addressed in 2 Peter | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 224860 | ||
Dear Pastor Beja, When I asked about diagramming I wasn't thinking about sentence diagramming. I was thinking more along these lines: God has given us faith (2 Peter 1:1-4)... therefore supplement your faith with virtue (v5), knowledge (v5), self-control (v6), steadfastness (v6), godliness (v6), brotherly affection (v7), and love (v7)... which yields effectual fruit in true knowledge of Christ (v8). Linguistically it looks like those middle items are linked like a chain. Or think of faith as the stem, and the other attributes as leaves, budding into the fruit. Or think of faith as a central circle, with the attributes spiraling outward, into the fruit. I can't say that I've decided. Great to think about, though. :-) In Him, Doc |
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5 | The error addressed in 2 Peter | Bible general Archive 4 | Morant61 | 224861 | ||
Greetings Doc! Vincent says of 2 Peter 1:5: "The A. V. exhorts to add one virtue to another; but the Greek, to develop one virtue in the exercise of another: “an increase by growth, not by external junction; each new grace springing out of, attempting, and perfecting the other.” Render, therefore, as Rev. In your faith supply virtue, and in your virtue knowledge, etc." Thus, he would recommend diagramming the verses as stair steps with faith leading up to love. This was a great question to think about! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | The error addressed in 2 Peter | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 224863 | ||
Dear Tim, That sounds very good. However, it still implies a chronological sequence, that is probably not implied in the middle series of attributes. One would not say, for example, "Work on your virtue, then when you have that down pat, start working on your knowledge. Don't worry about your self-control, until you have you have the knowledge thing pretty much out of the way. Etc." (Certainly hyperbolic, but I think it makes my point. On the other hand, there is a certain chronology that ought not to be abandoned.) Furthermore, the virtue without knowledge is pointless, just as virtue and knowledge is pointless without self-control, etc. Just as faith that does not give rise to these attributes is self-deceptive, if not a false faith altogether. Today I was thinking about this question between Sunday School and Worship Service. I was wondering if we might think of it as a regular heptagon, which is the God given faith. Imagine each side of the heptagon as giving rise to a spiraling curve, each curve resting on the next -- virtue, resting on knowledge, knowledge resting on self-control, all the way around. Imagine the curves ending with the shape of an arrow head. The outside of the figure is the abundantly fruitful life. You see, this also pictures the deeply internal things growing into the manifestly external things (the fruit). Thus, it makes clear the error of many, falsely believing that works give rise to a God-pleasing internal condition. The Word teaches us the exact opposite. In Him, Doc |
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7 | The error addressed in 2 Peter | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 224865 | ||
Doc, That's what has always kept me from really nailing this down in my mind. The notion of gaining one before the other doesn't really work. However, if we resist the notion of perfection in one before the other it helps some. I could see it in the sense of to your faith add virture (perhaps the desire to do right), then you build upon that foundation with knowledge (biblical definitions of right), then self control (The discipline to act on that right knowledge and desire), then perseverance (doing this over the long run. Then I almost see the next step as a cap or culmination of all the previous. The end result of having all four of those being godliness. I intend to do a word study on that greek word when I get a chance to see if that could work or if by godliness the notion is something that doesn't fit that thinking. But if godliness was meant to be a high point in this list, before moving on to the two that orient around love that would fit well with verse 3 which gives godliness as one of the two things God has provided everything necessary for. Just some thoughts. I certainly haven't figured it out. In Christ, Beja |
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8 | The error addressed in 2 Peter | Bible general Archive 4 | Beja | 224866 | ||
I did a small search on that "godliness." My theory doesn't really fit because its meaning is more along the lines of a passion and devotion to the things of God. In Christ, Beja |
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