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1 | An Enemy Has Done This! (Matt 13:24-30) | Bible general Archive 4 | Vintage68 | 215592 | ||
Hi John Just a Quick question??? When Paul says to Timothy "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. What scripture was Paul referring to? Was there a canon of scripture at the time of this letter to Timothy? 170 AD produced the first known Christian attempt at an (Old Testament) canon. The Council of Carthage, a local north Africa council of bishops created the same list of canonical books in 397. This is the council which many Protestant and Evangelical Christians take as the authority for the (New Testament) canon of books. The Old Testament canon from the same council is identical to Roman Catholic canon today. ..... Catholic Biblical Apologetics, © Copyright 1985-2004, Paul Flanagan and Robert Schihl Vintage68 |
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2 | An Enemy Has Done This! (Matt 13:24-30) | Bible general Archive 4 | stjohn | 215594 | ||
Vintage, you will note that the cannon of Scripture we have today includes Paul's writings. Therefor when those scholarly men put together the cannon they saw fit to include 2 timothy 3:16 as part of that cannon, so ALL Scripture means All Scripture. You will also note that the Terms of Use that we all agreed to include that "Postings must be Biblically based and not opposing the Bible's sole authority (sola Scriptura)," Now back to my original question. Speaking of parables, how do we reconcile the statement: "To be a teaching tool as some have espoused, is a false assumption." When we hold it up against 2 Tim 3:16 "ALL SCRIPTURE is inspired by God and profitable for TEACHING, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;"? John |
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3 | An Enemy Has Done This! (Matt 13:24-30) | Bible general Archive 4 | Vintage68 | 215598 | ||
Hi John you ask: how do we reconcile the statement: "To be a teaching tool as some have espoused, is a false assumption." When we hold it up against 2 Tim 3:16 You are using (2 Tim. 3:16) as the proof text, or your rule so to speak, by which we should judge. Lets look at that rule, This letter was written after Jesus had ascended, so then, using your understanding, ( reasoning), Jesus was not using His parables as a teaching tool. Period. On the grounds, they were not scripture when He spoke them. In other words, He was not Teaching scripture, He was Creating scripture. He was speaking words, that have since become scripture, therefore we can now use these scriptures as teaching tools, as per. 2 Tim 3:16 you go no to say: "Can you please give us some Scripture or perhaps some reputable commentary to lend some support to so bold a statement?" Are you asking for a sign? I will use the most reputable authority I can possibly think of. And His own commentary. 1.) A parable was a tool Jesus used, to tell truth to the Jewish people, without them ever being able, to come to the knowledge of that truth. Matt. 13:10-11 10.) And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11.) He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, (but to them it is not given.) Therefore from the mouth of Jesus He says He is "NOT TEACHING THEM" anything! If you are of a different opinion, what He was teaching them? 2) The use of the parables of Jesus were for the express purpose of Him fulfilling Prophesy. To be a teaching tool as some have espoused, is a false assumption. Matt.13:13,14 13.) Therefore speak I to them in parables: (because they seeing see not); (and hearing they hear not), (neither do they understand). 14.) (And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias), which saith, (By hearing ye shall hear), (and shall not understand); (and seeing ye shall see), (and shall not perceive): By His own mouth He says, prophesy is being fulfilled, this is why I use Parables. No other reason is given. Jesus was speaking to the (Jewish people), knowing they (could not, would not, and did not), ever come to the knowledge to be found within His parables. Therefore how is it a teaching tool for their benefit? Again I ask you what was He teaching them? Vintage68 |
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4 | An Enemy Has Done This! (Matt 13:24-30) | Bible general Archive 4 | stjohn | 215599 | ||
Sorry... but Huh? I think I'll leave you to your thinking for now my friend, because I have absolutely no idea, what on earth you are talking about. That expiation is so convoluted you lost me after the first paragraph. Perhaps, [and I hope you do read it] after you read the book Doc has recommended, you can return to this subject with something we can understand. | ||||||
5 | An Enemy Has Done This! (Matt 13:24-30) | Bible general Archive 4 | Vintage68 | 215602 | ||
Hi John: May as well have it all This would be the second part. 3.) As far as it being a teaching tool for his disciples, it really isn't a teaching tool for them either, on the grounds, if Jesus was not speaking to the Jews, he would have given the understanding, knowledge and wisdom to be found in the parables, to the disciples in plain language, just as He had always done, with everything else He had ever taught them. Matt. 13:16,17 16.) But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17.) For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. Jesus did not use parables with the disciples, as he did with the people, because by His own mouth, He has already told us the reason the parables were spoken. My contention is, Jesus spoke openly, clearly, and easily to be understood by the disciples. I therefore offer for your approval, these scriptures as an evidence of that. 1.) whenever the disciples would ask Jesus to explain a parable he would always do so. Matt.13:36 36.) Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 2.) Whenever Jesus would speak to them, there were no hidden meanings, as in the parables He was speaking to the people. Matt. 13:44-46 44.) Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. 45.) Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: 46.) Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. Matt. 13:47-51 47.) Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48.) Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. 49.) So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50.) And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 51.) Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. If the information was openly given, it is no longer a parable. It does by definition become a teaching. We all know that every word that Jesus spoke could be called teaching, couldn't it? But it does not fit the criteria of the Parable as a teaching tool, the way you define it. But as Jesus said Himself, a Parable did not teach anybody anything. We have already heard from Jesus, the people would (hear and not understand, see and not perceive) Again what was Jesus teaching? But this time I also ask, who was He teaching in the form of a parable? 4.) The truth to be found in the parables of Jesus, are always, without exception, only about the Kingdom of God (Heaven). the kingdom of heaven is like unto, the kingdom of heaven is like unto, the kingdom of heaven is like unto He who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Vintage68 |
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6 | An Enemy Has Done This! (Matt 13:24-30) | Bible general Archive 4 | stjohn | 215603 | ||
Dear Vintage, At this point it seems best to simply go over what has been recommend for you by Doc, [who's opinion you respect] to read in post #157835 as apparently you have not taken the time to do so. So I'll be of your service, sir, and just post it hear for you. SOUND EXEGESIS OF PARABOLIC TEACHING Definition: A parable is a brief story drawn from human life or nature, not related to an actual event, but is true to life and, concerning the listeners, is given for the purpose of teaching a spiritual truth. CHARACTERISTICS OF PARABLES 1. Parables teach a truth using the technique of similarity or illustration. 2. Parables are usually very short, thus they are intended to be easily remembered. 3. Parables can be described as simultaneously very simple and very complex. 4. Parables use earthly things as teaching instruments. 5. Parables have only one primary point. 6. Parables typically have three parts: (1) the setting (cultural context); (2) a story; and (3) a spiritual application. 7. Parables are intended to teach faithful disciples. 8. Parables are intended to hide the truth from the disobedient. GUIDELINES FOR INTERPRETING PARABLES 1. Study the setting and the cultural background. 2. Read the story in its natural meaning. In other words, take it literally. 3. Determine the one central truth taught in the story. Learn to separate the unimportant details from the important issues. (Note that this isn't always an easy thing to do.) 4. Check to see if Jesus or other Scriptures interpret the parable for you. (Note: If Jesus gives an explanation, don't look any for another!) 5. Check to see if the interpretation or point of a parable is dealt with in a doctrinal section of the scriptures, particularly the epistles. 6. Check with good commentaries. (Note: Be sure to study the parable for yourself first. Don't become too dependent on commentaries. Instead, allow the Holy Spirit to teach you. But use the commentaries to verify that your interpretation is not too far off from what is understood by orthodoxy.) 7. Look for specific applications of the point of a parable to your own life. Apply what you discover to your life in a specific way. IMPORTANT NOTE: Solid interpretation must ALWAYS precede application. You cannot apply what you do not understand. Just one more note, Vintage, is that Jesus gave His disciples keys to understanding the parables when they ask Him to explain them. We can also use these same keys to understand the other parables as well. i.e. when we see a man, it refers to the Son of man, which is Jesus, or God. When we see a field, it represents the world. When we see a sower of seeds, that represents God. When we see birds, they represent evil. Try it, it may help you to understand all the parables, not just the ones He [Jesus] specifically interprets. John |
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