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1 | Does Satan Exist Part III | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 166188 | ||
Satan could be insane. All of this notwithstanding, Revelation 20 connects this being, whom we call Satan, to the serpent in the garden, to the adversary of the Old Testament, to the Satan of the New, to the Devil that deceives. God's purposes will be served, no matter who you are, or what you do, God is Sovereign. Neither Hitler, nor Judas, nor the devil himself will subvert or prevent the purposes of God coming to pass. That's what it means to be both Sovereign and Omnipotent. Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | Does Satan Exist Part III | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 166190 | ||
Mark, I agree with you on the issue of insanity. Here’s another angle. Bear in mind that some of this is just theory. Lucifer’s downfall was based on PRIDE. And what other sin could cause a holy angel to fall? Pride is unlike all other sins. First, pride is a “hidden” sin, in that it is likely the hardest to detect by the person suffering from it. It may also be difficult for others to detect. Not that I’m saying God can’t detect it. But then, pride’s nature demands that when confronted about its very existence, pride would be offended. And if a rebuke was not taken with humility, pride would only tend to grow, not diminish. Pride is the most sinister of sins. Though not as “destructive” as some other sins, it is by the hardest sin to overcome. It declares, “I am in the right!”, “I am being mistreated!”. As for God’s Sovereignty and Omnipotence, God values freedom of choice. Hence the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Before the fall, there was only one spot on Earth where Adam and Eve were susceptible to sin. Only one spot on the entire planet where Satan had access to the first couple. And what’s more, God warned Adam and Eve about it. Yet He would not take from them their freedom of choice. I believe that the freedom of choice was given to the angels in heaven. Yet their perfection and closeness to God all but guaranteed that sin would never rear its ugly head. This is just my opinion, but I believe that the only chance sin had to enter heaven, was through pride. One would assume that the closer one was to God, the less likely to fall. The closer to perfection, the more “sin-proof” one was. But pride bypasses that. In fact, pride can use perfection to spawn itself, in that if someone takes their focus off God and looks at their own perfection, they suddenly say, “Hey, look at me. I’m perfect.” Ezek 28:17 "Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor. Ocelot P.S. The devil doesn’t care which ditch you fall into. If you worship him he likes that. If you disbelieve in him, he likes that just as well. |
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3 | Does Satan Exist Part III | Bible general Archive 3 | drbloor | 166198 | ||
Luke 20:36 "Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels." Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death." I hope you see the point. If the wages of sin is death, and angels cannot die, then neither can they sin, or they would die, which they cannot do. At least, not according to Jesus. Shalom, Dr. B. |
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4 | Does Satan Exist Part III | Bible general Archive 3 | mark d seyler | 166210 | ||
Matthew, also telling us about this same teaching, lets us know that Jesus was talking about the "angels of God in heaven", not the fallen angels. (Matt. 22:30) Jude tells us about angels that disobeyed, and will be judged. I suppose that is symbollic also? Mark |
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5 | Does Satan Exist Part III | Bible general Archive 3 | drbloor | 166289 | ||
If the fallen angels were once angels of God in heaven, then Matt 22:30 still applies. If the angels of God in heaven can became fallen angels and then die, then that means the angels of God in heaven CAN die - by sinning and falling. This is in direct contradiction to Christs teaching. This verse on its own smashes the myth of Satan. As for Jude, the word "angels" as you probably know is also used repeatedly of men as messengers. There is no reason to believe the messengers of Jude 1:6 are fallen angels, especially in the context of Jude as an exhortation against the false doctrine of ungodly men. Indeed, if these are the fallen angels and they have been reserved in chains until the judgement of the great day, then you contradict your own translation of Revelation 12, where they have got out of the chains and into heaven to have a war! Anyway... as you may or may not have seen I have mentioned in a post to CDBJ that I am going to quit doctrinal discussion, because I agree that it is not what the creators and moderators of this site intended. This is my last post of debate. Thanks for all your input throughout - it has been quite revealing! :) Dr. B. |
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