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1 | can I eat shellfish? | Bible general Archive 3 | DocTrinsograce | 166108 | ||
Dear MJH, As you said, we need to take care not to read into a passage what was not there in the first place. Fortunately we have Scripture to interpret Scripture. If your interpretation be so, then why don't we find Paul reiterating these principles in greater, explicit detail in his epistles? On the contrary we read his words from the Holy Spirit: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17) ...and on the topic of meat offered to idols he gives the general statement... But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. (1 Corinthians 8:8) ...and the "doctrines of devils"... Forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Furthermore we have the whole epistle of Galatians warning against adopting the ceremonial law as a means of righteousness, impugning the power of the atonement of Christ. Not least of all we have the great weight of 2,000 years of a vast variety of believers interpreting the dietary requirements of the Mosaic Covenant as ceremonial rather than moral. That puts your perspective in the uncomfortable position of having to admit that the Holy Spirit was negligent in speaking this to the rest of the church, but has singled out you -- and Garner Ted Armstrong and Ellen G. White -- to receive this special revelation. (By the way, in your previous posts I've not heard you espouse the doctrines of the WWCG or the SDA.) Spiritual perception arises out of community (Hebrews 3:12-13), it does not arise in isolation. (This is the value of orthodoxy and orthopraxy.) In Him, Doc |
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2 | can I eat shellfish? | Bible general Archive 3 | MJH | 166130 | ||
Dear Doc, I'll have to respond more in depth when I am not caring for my 8 month old, but to clarify some questions I have of your post. What is WWCG? I hope I do not interpret any doctrine in isolation. You are right that this would be wrong. My contention in the previous posts are to show that the two passages mentioned (Mark 7 and Peter's vision) are poor passages to use to make the point that the food laws have changed. Your passages are much much better choices. My personal believe is still that Gentile believers are not held to the dietary laws of Moses. I am uncertain about where I stand with Jews, but in recent days side with their following them. If ever I change my thinking on any doctrine or understanding of scripture, it is always a long and thoughtful process. I don't believe in flipping back and fourth everytime you hear a good argument on one side or the other. Sometimes on this forum I test some of the things I have been pondering in the back of my brain (I work and live a life that unfortunatly does not allow for me to progress as quickly as I wish with study.) In the future I will show where historically the church has held a contrary view on such matters several times and I will show how the Gentile believers in the first 200 years followed much of the Mosaic Law. I will also discuss the passage you list, but that is a big task. Galations of course is a whole book, but I've read it so many times I about have it to memory and my understanding has shifted some. Look forward to the time. MJH |
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3 | can I eat shellfish? | Bible general Archive 3 | DocTrinsograce | 166132 | ||
Dear MJH, You asked, "What is WWCG?" The World Wide Church of God, founded by Herbert W. Armstrong. You wrote, "My personal believe is still that Gentile believers are not held to the dietary laws of Moses." (sic) Well, I've got egg on my face, then... I thought you were arguing the contrary. I'm sure getting old! In Him, Doc |
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4 | can I eat shellfish? | Bible general Archive 3 | MJH | 166142 | ||
No problem, I did lead one to believe that with my arguments, and when I reply in depth later, I will attempt to make that argument; however, I thought it only fair to let you know where I actually stand on the issue. That being said, I do eat according to the Biblical food laws (not Kosher which is MUCH more rules based) but I do not do so to earn any points. At some point I would like to write a one page paper on why I eat the way I do, and when I do I will certainly let you know. But do not confuse my eating habits and my arguments-to-come with my doctrinal stand. I wouldn't "teach" this in my church. So why make the argument? Because it helps me a lot and forces others to have a firmer understanding of why they believe what they believe. And this is a safe place to test things out. I was surpirsed when I first joined to find such knowledgable people here and am greatful for the opportunity this forum provides. God Bless, MJH |
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