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1 | can I eat shellfish? | Bible general Archive 3 | jlpangilinan | 166085 | ||
Did shellfish unclean? in the Christian time? Ac 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. Ac 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. Ac 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. Ac 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. God bless, |
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2 | can I eat shellfish? | Bible general Archive 3 | soulbloom | 166095 | ||
Also in Acts 15 the Jersualem church established the rules that gentile beleivers should follow, "Therefore, in my judgment, we should not cause difficulties for those who turn to God from among the Gentiles, 20 but instead we should write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from eating anything that has been strangled, and from blood." There is atad hint of the food laws, but even these have to be interpreted in context. Shellfish are not prohibited in these though. | ||||||
3 | can I eat shellfish? | Bible general Archive 3 | MJH | 166096 | ||
The Acts 15 council did not mention stealing, murder, loving your neighbor and a hundred other things. Peter did not eat any of the animals after the vision, and in fact stood there and pondered, "What could the vision mean?" Because eating unclean animals wasn't a viable answer...after all, the law is quite clear on that...so what was the answer to the vision? The answer arrives at the door at that moment. Gentiles wanted him to come to the home of a God fearing Gentile and eat with him. Jews did not do this, and they did not do it for Kosher reasons. The law did not say they couldn't eat with a Gentile, but the legalists had so ingrained this in their minds that it took a vision to convince Peter who walked with Jesus for 3 plus years that it was okay. There is a lot of history here that I don't have time to go into that pertains to this passage, but you might look into it yourself. It is quite fascinating. There are a number of thoughts on the food laws that people have: 1) Some say that the food laws are void and Jews or Gentiles can eat whatever. Matt 5 seems to disagree since it would change the law which is impossible. 2) Some say that Gentiles can eat anything because Noah was told this, but Israelites and any who convert to become an Israelite must follow the food laws still today. 3) Some say the same as two, but that the laws of Hospitality are greater than the laws of Unclean foods, so a Jew can eat unclean (or food not known to be cooked correctly) in order to not offend a host. 4) Others say that both Jews and Gentiles believers ought to follow the food laws and any other law that we can follow. With no temple most Mosaic laws are not possible for anyone to follow and without the court of elders (Sanhedrin in the first century), many more are not possible to follow. Books have been written on each side. I am not arguing one position over another in this post, but I don't like to see people use these passages to make point that the writer didn't originally intend. "The text can never mean what it never meant." MJH |
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4 | can I eat shellfish? | Bible general Archive 3 | DocTrinsograce | 166097 | ||
Hi, MJH... How, then, do you deal with the account in Acts 15? Certainly the apostles would not have missed something as crucial as 99 percent of the dietary laws. Nevertheless, they only give two guidelines: eschew fornication and do not eat strangled animals. I'm really just curious how you deal with those directives given your perspective. In Him, Doc |
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5 | can I eat shellfish? | Bible general Archive 3 | MJH | 166099 | ||
Hey Doc, always a pleasure. Acts 15 mentions 4 things: 1) food sacrificed to idols; 2) blood; 3) strangled animals; 4) sexual immorality. 75 percent of these have to do with food. Yet most Christians do not follow the 75 percent (some don't follow the 25 percent unfortunately.) They say the Apostles put these in because of the idol worship practices of the day, so since that is no longer the case, we can ignore the 3 "laws" on food in Acts 15. Acts 15:21 "For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath." This passage follows the 4 laws. It is saying that here are 4 things you ought to do, and Moses is taught in every town and you know where and when, so go and learn and study…after all, this was the whole Bible at the time. And don’t forget, there were many many other laws that they could have added but were not such as stealing, murder, love your neighbor, take care of widows and orphans…but they are not in the list. Only 3 food laws, and 1 sex law. Obviously they were not giving a complete list. Now, we know that Paul was an amazing “good” Pharisee with an unbelievable grasp of the Scriptures of his day. He spends a great deal of effort in Galatians discussing many of these issues. Even Paul in Acts 21-23 goes to great length to prove that he still followed the Mosaic law and never told Jews in the Diaspora not to follow the Mosaic law. For many friends of mine, they are shocked to read this. I hope that helps. I could go on and on and on… but you may not want me to. ;-) MJH |
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6 | can I eat shellfish? | Bible general Archive 3 | DocTrinsograce | 166108 | ||
Dear MJH, As you said, we need to take care not to read into a passage what was not there in the first place. Fortunately we have Scripture to interpret Scripture. If your interpretation be so, then why don't we find Paul reiterating these principles in greater, explicit detail in his epistles? On the contrary we read his words from the Holy Spirit: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17) ...and on the topic of meat offered to idols he gives the general statement... But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. (1 Corinthians 8:8) ...and the "doctrines of devils"... Forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Furthermore we have the whole epistle of Galatians warning against adopting the ceremonial law as a means of righteousness, impugning the power of the atonement of Christ. Not least of all we have the great weight of 2,000 years of a vast variety of believers interpreting the dietary requirements of the Mosaic Covenant as ceremonial rather than moral. That puts your perspective in the uncomfortable position of having to admit that the Holy Spirit was negligent in speaking this to the rest of the church, but has singled out you -- and Garner Ted Armstrong and Ellen G. White -- to receive this special revelation. (By the way, in your previous posts I've not heard you espouse the doctrines of the WWCG or the SDA.) Spiritual perception arises out of community (Hebrews 3:12-13), it does not arise in isolation. (This is the value of orthodoxy and orthopraxy.) In Him, Doc |
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7 | can I eat shellfish? | Bible general Archive 3 | Ocelot | 166114 | ||
Hi Doc. Ocelot here. You used Colossians 2:16-17 to prove your point. Here it is Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17) But Colossians 2:16-17 is a reference to the sacrificial system, and not to what is appropriate to eat. Read Leviticus 23:24-37. Lev 23:37 'These are the appointed times of the LORD which you shall proclaim as holy convocations, to present offerings by fire to the LORD--burnt offerings and grain offerings, sacrifices and drink offerings, each day's matter on its own day— Notice that the word “meat” used in Colossians 2:16-17 is the Greek word “brosis”. If you’d do a quick word study you’d find out that that word simply means “food”. With that knowledge, it becomes very clear that Col 2:16-17 is dealing with the sacrificial system, and food and drink offerings made to The Lord. I’m going to skip 1 Cor. 8:8 since it’s so vague. You then used 1 Timothy 4:3-5. Here it is: Forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. (1 Timothy 4:3-5) Now let’s apply some logic to that verse. Would you say that God allows the eating of human flesh? Of course not. And yet man is a “creature”. The word “creature” here, is the Greek word “ktisma”, don’t ask me to pronounce it. It simply means “an original formation”, or “product (created thing)”. Now notice verse 5. “For it is sanctified by the WORD OF GOD, and prayer.” What food is sanctified by the word of God? Ocelot |
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