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1 | Confused? | Bible general Archive 3 | Brian.g | 192288 | ||
Hello Believer I hope this might be of help to you.. In Jer 31:31-35, God said that the day will come in which he will make a new covenant with the people of Isreal. A covenant written on the hearts of people. This new covenant is Jesus. In Mt 5:17-20, Jesus said he did not come to change the law, but to fulfill it. This is to be understood as the difference between the 'letter of the law' versus the 'spirit of the law'. Jesus explained this difference at the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew chapters 5,6 and 7. In Scripture, there were various times in which Jesus was accused of breaking the law, but in turn Jesus explained the spirit of the law. Subsequently, the laws of Moses which the scribes and the Pharisees insisted that people follow, was replaced by the teachings of Jesus. In one sense, the laws of Moses still remain, but our duty as Christians (and our gift from Jesus) is to understand and live within the spirit of the law rather than just living a 'checklist-style of religion'. In our new covenant, we do not have to say that 'yes, I have completed 'this' obligation' or 'no, I did not violate 'that' rule', with the exception of our obligations and responsibilities in accordance with the teachings of Jesus. But more so, to be able to say that I have lived this day in accordance to the teachings of, and in the Spirit of, our Lord. With regard to Tithing. In the old covenant, God did not give any land to the people of Levi. It was the responsibility to the priests to serve God and the responsbility of the people to support the priests. That responsibility is still the same, today. But, the greatness of the act of tithing is when it is done for the love and glory of God and with our trust in Him. As did the widow in Mk 12:42-44 Brian |
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2 | Confused? | Bible general Archive 3 | MJH | 192289 | ||
You said, "Subsequently, the laws of Moses which the scribes and the Pharisees insisted that people follow, was replaced by the teachings of Jesus" How can the teachings of Jesus replace the laws of Moses when the teachings of Jesus were the laws of Moses? MJH |
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3 | Confused? | Bible general Archive 3 | Brian.g | 192291 | ||
The letter of the law versus the spirit of the law. Brian |
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4 | Confused? | Bible general Archive 3 | MJH | 192299 | ||
Jesus did not change the "letter" of the law because if he did he couldn't be the Messiah. Deut. 13 warns of a prophet that would come even doing miracles but if that prophet tried to take Israel away from the commands of Moses, then that was a false prophet. Too many Christians turn Jesus into someone he was not. Jesus also did not "spiritualize" the commands. What he did do, however, (to help you with your argument) was to correctly interpret the commands in both how they were originally intended to be understood and how they ought to be applied in their current situation. The Pharisees (not all of them) were heaping on mounds of oral tradition (oral law) and put all of the focus on those laws, most of which had to do with "holiness" commands (ie. clean and unclean) and neglected the mercy and justice laws that Jesus (and some other 1st century Rabbis) taught were "greater." Nowhere do we see Jesus ending any laws (like the food laws) or adding to the laws (like the Law to Love each other.) Until Christians see Jesus in his own context and among His own people they will continue to miss his point and teaching (or at least many of them...most Christians do get the heart of the teaching). But even the teaching on the "Kingdom of God/Heaven" that He spent most of his time on is still misunderstood by us today as if it has to do with "going to Heaven." It is very important, however, to understand the Living Walking in the Flesh Torah Logos of God did not change, end, nor supplant the very Word that He was. Everything in the Torah and the Prophets and the New Testament tells us this. MJH |
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5 | Confused? | Bible general Archive 3 | DocTrinsograce | 192305 | ||
Dear MJH, Let's not just leave Jesus as a teacher! He fulfills the Law, too (Matthew 5:17; Hebrews 10:3-12). You wrote, "...or adding to the laws..." So, when Christ said, "A new commandment I give to you..." (John 13:34a ESV) He didn't really give a new commandment? Do you say this because of Leviticus 19:18? In Him, Doc |
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6 | Confused? | Bible general Archive 3 | MJH | 192309 | ||
Doc, Yes, Jesus is the living fulfillment of the Torah. You are correct that he is much more than a teacher. When I wrote that Jesus did not add to the laws, I had in mind first and foremost the command in Deut. 12:32 that says, "See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it." But yes, Lev 19:18 is relevant as well. Jesus is obviously alluding to this commandment. It is new in as much as it is Jesus himself, the Messiah, who tells us that to love ones neighbor as oneself is fulfilled by loving as he as loved. Love for oneself can be unhealthy at times and loving ones neighbor as oneself is a very open ended command. Jesus is putting a finer point on this command by saying, "I have showed you how to love and you being my disciples should do likewise." And of course his love was sacrificial, servant like, and absolute. It's new in the sense that we have a new picture to relate the command of love to, but it is not new in that the Torah did not already command us to love our neighbors. Of course if Jesus did add a totally new commandment, he would have broken a commandment nullifying his ability to be the unblemished perfect sacrifice for our sins. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to flesh out that statement in my pervious post. I was wondering if someone might catch that… MJH |
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7 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | Searcher56 | 192317 | ||
Say we say He is fulfillment of the Torah, because it was incomplete. But the Torah/OT is still needed, tho the OT sacrifices have been replaced by His sacrifice (Heb 9-10)? | ||||||
8 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | Jesusman | 192318 | ||
Short answer is yes. Long answer is that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ finalized the need for any further sacrifices. The author of Hebrews makes it abundantly clear in chapter 10 that the sacrificing of animals is drastically inferior to the one made by Christ on the cross. Jesusman |
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9 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | skccab | 192323 | ||
Jesusman, What do we do with the terms "forever," "continual," "perpetual" when God designated the feasts and offerings (in especially Leviticus)? The Bible says that God knows the ending from the beginning so why didn't he specify 'do this till Messiah comes'? But, even knowing, He said "forever." Heb. 13:8 says God is the same, yeaterday, today and forever. Is that the same forever as in the Torah? Mat. 28:20 Yeshua said "I am with you always, even unto the end of the world." Is that the same forever as in the Torah? Or does "forever" mean different things? Cheri |
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10 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | Jesusman | 192325 | ||
Ok .. think of it in this way. The pentateuch is the Constitution. Jesus Christ came along and gave us the Amendmant. | ||||||
11 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | skccab | 192326 | ||
Thanks for the response, Jesusman, and your answer seems reasonable but even with an amendment, doesn't forever still mean forever? If I missed it, please, bring to my attention, but I don't recall anywhere where Yeshua stated not to observe the feasts, fasts and holidays? (Granted, once the Temple was destroyed the sacrificial system had to stop because the Temple was the place God Himself had designated as the place to perform such offerings.) But I don't recall where we are told NOT to observe the days that God told His people to observe forever. :-) Cheri |
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12 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | srbaegon | 192327 | ||
Hello Cheri, I would turn here. Gal 2:14 (ESV) But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, "If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?" Paul's point is that Gentiles should never be asked to live under any part of the Mosaic Law as that was given to the Jews. Steve |
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13 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | skccab | 192338 | ||
Morning Steve, Thanks for the response. I read Galatians over the weekend and my understanding is that it was talking about a group of born-Jews (not practicing Jews) who were just trying to stir up trouble (and doing a decent job of it). The verse you quoted does say that Gentiles don't HAVE to, but doesn't say NOT to - so we're still working with the terms forever, perpetual, permanent etc (used in different Bible versions as available in e-Sword). Don't get me wrong, Steve, I'm not trying to spur an argument, I really am having trouble reconciling these ideas. And right now, I'm really struggling with the "forever" things. Still learning :-) Cheri |
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14 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | srbaegon | 192339 | ||
Hello Cheri, The theme of Galatians is: Why would Gentiles want to obey the Law? It's unnecessary, and you place a burden on yourself that not even the children of Israel could bear. The eternal aspect of these things is in Christ himself. He came to fulfill and is the fulfillment of the Law. Steve |
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15 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | skccab | 192340 | ||
Hiya Steve, I don't feel that it is a burden and the "Law" that the Jews couldn't bear was all the traditional oral additions that the elders kept throwing into it. Yeshua said this, too. Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitudes and to his disciples, Mat 23:2 saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses seat: Mat 23:3 all things therefore whatsoever they bid you, these do and observe: but do not ye after their works; for they say, and do not. Mat 23:4 Yea, they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with their finger. Mat 23:5 But all their works they do to be seen of men: for they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, So what do we do with the above verses, especially the one where Yeshua tells us to "do and observe" these things? The original Torah as recorded in the Books of Moses show me a God full of care and concern for His people (and even included those called strangers in their land). These the Jews "chose" not to obey. :-) Cheri |
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16 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | srbaegon | 192341 | ||
Hello Cheri, I understand what the scribes and Pharisees had done. My quote was from Acts 15:10. Believers from the party of the Pharisees were wanting Gentiles to be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses. Paul opposed the idea--not the oral traditions but the Law itself. As for Matt 23:1-5, Jesus was speaking to Jews, not Gentiles. I fully agree with what you say about the Torah. People think the God of the OT is angry and hostile. A thorough reading displays grace, mercy, steadfast love, and long-suffering beyond measure. Steve |
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17 | Did He complete the Old Testament? | Bible general Archive 3 | skccab | 192344 | ||
Yes, Steve, thank you. :-) Cheri |
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