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1 | Will You Accept This Challenge? | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 150993 | ||
---PLEASE LET THIS POST HANG HERE WITHOUT RESPONSE SO THAT OTHERS MAY SEE IT AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE IT OFFERS.----First, go to http://www.bible-researcher.com/codex-b.html. Second, read the introductory material. Third, scroll down until you come to a sample of the text of the Codex itself. Fourth, translate the sample into modern clear English, complete with proper punctuation and capitalization. ..... It is rather short, involving only one complete verse of Scripture and fragments of two other verses. It should pose no problem at all to the denizens of the Forum who are experts in translating, punctuating, and capitalizing Scripture. ...... POSTSCRIPT: Did this exercise help anyone to acknowledge the enormous debt we owe to the hundreds of dedicated translators who have devoted their lives to the task of bringing us a translation of God's word into our own language that is as transparent of the original-language manuscripts as they can produce? ..... Did it illustrate the utter folly of hacks who, presuming to know more than seasoned scholars who have spent their lives pouring over the ancient manuscripts, have the audacity to challenge and even change the decisions of translation, punctuation and capitalization that whole teams of scholars have agreed upon? ........ Ladies and gentlemen, the sponsor of this Forum is the Lockman Foundation. Lockman's chief aim is not Forums but the translation and distribution of the Scriptures. One of their finest achievements is the NASB, than which no other major translation in English is more literally accurate. Lockman has a high view of Scripture and we owe them our thanks and appreciation, not only for for the work they have done and continue to do in translating the Scriptures, but in making this Study Bible Forum possible. One way each of us can show his thanks and appreciation to the fine folks at the Lockman Foundation is by honoring the guidelines set forth for one's personal conduct on their Forum. And by the way, the Lockman Foundation is a not-for-profit organization. Unlike so many publishers of religious materials, Lockman is not in this enterprise to make big bucks! Soli Deo gloria! --Hank | ||||||
2 | Will You Accept This Challenge? | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 150994 | ||
Forum: Thanks for honoring my request to allow the question to remain on the home page. It has been there now 2 days and I'm removing it, so feel free to respond to it if you feel inclined. Thanks again. --Hank | ||||||
3 | And can we accept this challenge? | Bible general Archive 2 | Aixen7z4 | 151123 | ||
Some of us accepted that challenge, and we were humbled and sobered by it. But it seems to me that the greater challenge still remains. The challenge is to help a brother. I hope that one is allowed to ask that when one’s heart goes out to a brother. The brother may not accept that he needs help, but it is my considered opinion that a person does need help when he seems to have become fixated. I hope this is not judged to be ad hominem, or an attack, because it comes out of a desire to help, to help all of us. Quite often a person becomes stuck, or overtaken with a fault, as in Galatians 6:1. Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. It is my observation that our brother is stuck in a box and apparently unable to think outside of it. Well meaning attempts to get him out may result in his become more firmly stuck; like pulling someone down through a funnel, if you understand what I mean. So the question is: How do you help such a brother? It is probably difficult for any of us to change our minds. There is something called perseverance that we may confuse with obstinacy. It would not be bothersome if someone had some idiosyncrasy, such as saying “Amen” to everything or “Praise the Lord” before everything. We get into habits. And I suppose that the need to capitalize all pronouns that refer to deity is a harmless habit. But when a fascination with capitalization leads one of us to propose that there is a holy spirit to go along with the Holy Spirit, then we may think that the brother needs help. If he does not admit it, he may think that he has a valid point that he needs to hold on to, or even teach. Then we may conclude that he needs help. So the question, and the challenge, must be faced, I think. And this writer has this habit of saying, “I think”, “It seems to me”, and suchlike. It is a habit developed in training; “It is my impression” is better than “I am sure”, etc. But I suppose it should not matter if one’s supposition is based on scripture. And I suppose we should seek to help because of passages such as Galatians 6:1. Then there is Galatians 2 where Paul helped Peter, and Romans 15 where the weak are to help the strong, and Hebrews 12 where we are to make straight paths for our feet lest the lame be turned away, and James 5 where one of us, hypothetically, errs from the truth, and one converts him. and learns that he who converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. We are told that we are to restore such an one. The challenge is to find the way to do it. |
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4 | And can we accept this challenge? | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 151128 | ||
Aixen, I appreciate your thoughts; I truly do; and the soft words in which they are clothed. Not only you and I but others on the Forum as well have agonized over the problems that continue to ensue from this fascination of one user with capitalization. This situation has been going on for years, and for years I viewed it as little more than a harmless but pointless preoccupation. But this preoccupation has led to the invention of a theory about the Holy Spirit/holy spirit, which is clearly an adulteration of sound teaching. The user has been admonished by a large number of Forum users to stop posting on this unorthodox theory. and to devote himself to other topics instead of continuing with the one theme, capitalization, that has dominated his posts from the beginning. Other users time and time again have made efforts to dissuade him in his one-man pursuit of interpretation through capitalization. Thus far all efforts to "restore such an one" have produced no measurable results. I believe that a sufficient number of Forum users have met the challenge to "restore such an one" by the only means available short of filing abuse reports and let the Lockman Foundation decide how they want to handle the problem with this user. I will add this. Should a brand-new user come on this Forum teaching a "Holy Spirit/holy spirit" theory or any other theory unsupportable by Scripture, he would be dealt with swiftly, even to the point of revocation of his privilege to post if such a measure became the only way to contain him. --Hank | ||||||
5 | And can we accept this challenge? | Bible general Archive 2 | Mommapbs | 151141 | ||
Greetings Hank - If we truly believe that when one member of the Body suffers, all suffer,(1 Cor 12:26) then shouldn't healing or restoration be a priority to the Body? What would "measureable results" that precede restoration look like FOR THE BODY as well as for a fallen believer? I believe the answer is found in Gal 6:1 - gentleness is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, therefore any 'restoration' (which could also include equipping and completing or rebuke and correction) that is devoid of the Spirit (and Its fruit) is not Godly. When we choose to obey the commands of Christ we will see Him at work through us to rebuke, correct and restore with gentleness, Please see: James 3:13-18; 2 Tim 2:24-26 I believe that we should also see Godly sorrow that leads to repentance. (2 Cor 7:9,10) Just some observation to consider as we seek to edify one another. mommapbs (Imo, Departing from the sound words of Christ happens a lot here. I am sure that I am guilty too - forgive me. (1 Tim 6:3) The issue of capitalization does not seem to be cause for breaking of fellowship and I am unaware of the "theory" that you have referenced here. I have a spirit, it is living, holy and acceptable to God because of the work of the Holy Spirit of Christ that dwells in me. Color me blonde but what is wrong with identifying Who is God and who is not? If I am wrong, please forgive me of my ignorance here!) |
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6 | And can we accept this challenge? | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 151144 | ||
Mommapbs: Two short comments. First, this organism known as Study Bible Forum is not the church, or even an ersatz church, and should not be thought of, treated or used as such. The principles of government and discipline that Scripture lays down for a local church cannot and should not be applied to a three-ring circus, a ladies' garden club, or this Forum. The organization of the Forum is not the same as the church: the Forum has no pastor, no elders, no deacons. The mission of the Forum is not the same as the church: The Forum has no worship service, no music, no communion (Lord's Supper), no corporate prayers, no sermons as such, no ability to reach out to the local community to witness in a personal, one-on-one, eyeball-to-eyeball way. ..... Second, if you can show this Forum that Scripture anywhere calls man's spirit a 'holy spirit,' please do so. The person who is teaching the 'Holy Spirit/holy spirit' theory has been unable to define 'holy spirit' in a way that makes sense, much less to provide any scriptural basis for it. --Hank | ||||||
7 | And can we accept this challenge? | Bible general Archive 2 | Mommapbs | 151198 | ||
Hank - as you have noted, SBF is not a church - but it is a place where we do "fellowship" - if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, 1 John 1:7. SBF is a place of contribution, sharing and participation (koinônia) - at least I have found this here. If you are IN Christ and I am IN Christ, then we are BOTH part of His Body. It was not God's design for there to be divisions, but one Body, (1 Cor 12 v 25) and we do have a responsibility toward one another as part of that Body. Right or wrong, I have considered you, brother Hank, to be my elder in the Lord and I thank God for you. There are many on this Forum whom I believe God has granted much wisdom and knowledge and I avidly seek out their posts when I have questions. According to Ez 36:26 God has given us a new heart and a new spirit. What kind of new spirit would He give to us? The Holy spirit testifies with our spirit that we are children of God. Because we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit we are sanctified (made holy) by His presence. Romans 8:16, 1 Peter 1:2, Col 1:22 I am in no way suggesting that the regenerated believer is without sin! But indeed he is set apart unto God - the believer is called holy by the writer of Hebrews (3:1), identified as being built into a holy preisthood and part of a holy nation (1 Peter 2) Paul (Col 1:22) tells us that we are reconciled to God through the death of Jesus "in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach." Interestingly, Paul describes an unmarried woman or virgin as holy in BOTH body and spirit (1 Cor 7:34). This makes sense to me, and affirms that who we are IN Christ is wholly a work of God. Grace, period. Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He who calls you, and He also will bring it to pass. 1 Thess 5:23-4 Grace to you, mommapbs |
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8 | And can we accept this challenge? | Bible general Archive 2 | Ray | 151334 | ||
Hi Mommapbs, I appreciated your post here. I have had a good time this morning in God's word, I feel, because of your Scripture references of Romans,1 Peter and Colossians. Colossians 1:22, "yet He has now reconciled you in *His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before (Him) holy and blameless and beyond reproach-- 1 Peter 2:1, "Therefore, putting aside all malice and all guile and hyposcrisy and envy and all slander, 2 like newborn babes, long for the pure milk of the word, that by it you may grow in respect to salvation, 3 if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord. 4 And coming to *Him as to a living stone, rejected by men, but choice and precious in the sight of (God), 5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood,..." Romans 10:12, "for 'Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved,' 14 How then shall they call upon *Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in (Him) whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?" Colossians 1:28, "And we proclaim *Him, admonishing every man and teaching every man with all wisdom, that we may present every man complete in (Christ)." The parentheses and stars are mine for comparison and the verses are as I see them. From the heart, Ray |
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9 | And can we accept this challenge? | Bible general Archive 2 | Mommapbs | 151341 | ||
Greetings Ray - I realize that this is very subjective but . . . from these Scriptures, what does God want you to focus on here about what He says about Himself and what He says about who you are? Are there any action steps that you believe God is calling you to do as a result of these verses? I'd be interested to read your responses to these questions. Blessings, mommapbs |
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10 | And can we accept this challenge? | Bible general Archive 2 | Ray | 151365 | ||
Hi Mommapbs, I don't know if I will answer your questions per se, but I offer these further thoughts by way of Scripture comparisons. 1) I believe that God should be glorified. Romans 15:7, "to the glory of God" 1 Peter 4:11, "...so that in all things God may be glorified." Romans 15:9, "... to glorify God/." 1 Peter 4:13, "revelation of His/ glory." Romans 15:11, "Praise the **Lord... praise *Him." 1 Peter 4:14, NKJ, "If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of (God) rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part **He is glorified... but let him glorify *God..." 2) I believe that we are fellow workers and should walk in (Him). Colossians 4:2, "Devote yourselves to prayer, keeping alert in it with an attitude of thanksgiving; praying at the same time for us as well, that God may open up to us a door for the word, so that we may speak forth the mystery of (Christ) for which I have also been imprisoned; in order that I may make it clear in the way I ought to speak." I believe that we should "Take heed to the ministry which you have received in the Lord, that you may continually fulfill it." Colossians 4:17. 3) Fellow workers: Colossians 4:11, "fellow workers for the kingdom of **God." Romans 16:9, "our fellow workers in **Christ..." Romans 8:17, "fellow heirs with **Christ..." Ephesians 3:9, "and to make all know what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in **God who created all things; 10 in order that the manifold wisdom of *God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places." That is how I see verse 9; manuscripts differ in number of nouns. Romans 1:25, "For they exchanged the truth of **God for a lie, and worshiped the creature rather than the *Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen." Ephesians 3:2, "if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of **God's grace which was given to me for you; 3 that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief. 4 And by referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of *Christ,..." John 3:11, NKJ, "Most assuredly, I say to you, **We speak what *We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?" The **,*, ( ), and slash are mine for comparisons. From the heart, Ray |
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11 | And can we accept this challenge? | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 151367 | ||
"The **,*,() and slash are mine for comparisons?" ..... Comparisons to what, Ray? How is anyone on this Forum supposed to be able to interpret your private squiggles? Is it simply impossible for you to reproduce a copyrighted Bible text exactly as it is printed in the copyrighted source? If the Lockman Foundation has hired you to edit their text of the NASB, it's certainly news to me. --Hank | ||||||
12 | And can we accept this challenge? | Bible general Archive 2 | Ray | 151376 | ||
Hi Hank, I take it you saw no similarity of words or spiritual thoughts in my comparisons. From the heart, Ray |
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