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1 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | mark d seyler | 147541 | ||
Hi Merv, I've been following this thread with much interest. I haven't joined in because you are discussing this with very capable partners, who represent my views most ably (sp?). But Merv, I have a question for you. After we have come to the Blood of the Lamb, after our atonement, when (and I say "when" because we all do) we fail to keep the requirements of the law, does this disqualify us from our salvation? If it does, then our salvation is based on works, and we are "fallen from grace". If it does not, then, how can a Holy God allow that? Or, do you make the claim that you no longer commit any sin? Ok, so more than one question! :-) Love in Christ, Mark |
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2 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147554 | ||
Now Mark: Depending on what we mean by salvation. Did not Judas decide to follow Jesus but in the end turned against the one he followed. Did not Adam and Eve have the perfect relationship to God prior to giving it to believing lies from the devil. Not only did they have to believe the devil they also had to act on that belief. Are we to consider ourselves any better than those like Peter and David who both fell away from God and into sin. Peter rejected God as He prophesied by claiming to not know Him and David committed adultery and murder. But because of there repentant hearts they came back in right relationship with God and from then on reflected the life of obedience and love for God. 1 John 2:4 clearly says - keeping his commandments is evidence of the Truth within our lives. So yes if we will allow ourselves to be led away by the devil into sin and so not repent and change then God has no choice let us have our free will. Now sincerity of tyhe heart can only be judged by God - so God knows what intent our heart has and also the deceit that is or is not there. A know sin is different than a unknown sin. God will be the judge and the peace that we have will give us the assurance that our heart is in the right place. I hope this helps, Please respond so we can both grow in faith by exploring these tough issues, Merv |
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3 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | mark d seyler | 147561 | ||
Hi Merv, I just want to clarify where you stand. So you beleive that salvation (by which I mean being born again to a new nature by the incorruptible seed of God which lives and remains forever), that salvation can be gained and lost, and gained and lost? Love in Christ, Mark |
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4 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 149398 | ||
Hi Mark: No I do not believe salvation is gained / lost over and over. I think scripture is clear that God will look at the evidence of our faith to see if is right in the eyes of God. God is the only judge !! Our obedience reflects our love. If no obedience or heart of change then how do we say the Holy Spirit is leading us to follow Christ. Intentional sins reveal our hearts condition. God is not concerned about a certain repentive time in our lives - but rather a heart that reflects Christ's example. The Bible clealy teaches that many many Christians will call on God but He will say He does not know them. Of course the time we repent is a great day but if it is not followed up by the earnest desire to obey God then what was the repenting a beginning of ? In love, Merv |
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