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1 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 147443 | ||
Merv You missed my point the Sabbath created by God was a day of rest not a day of worship. We can’t have a meaningful discussion of the Sabbath if we are talking about two different things. I gave you many scriptures that proved the Sabbath was a day of rest not of worship. The Sabbath day of rest evolved in the Jewish tradition into a day of worship of study. Even then in true Sabbath worship the priest had very little to do on the Sabbath. The synagogues used various members in their worship service. Don't confuse Temple worship, which was daily with Sabbath worship. Two entirely different things. You said, "You can go to any pastor out there and they will say WE as Christians must keep a day of rest. Unfortunately it is the 1st day they consider the Sabbath." That is patently untrue. Not all pastors call Sunday worship Sabbath nor do they think Sunday worship replaced the Sabbath. The Sabbath was given by God to man as a day of rest. God said you shall rest on that day. In the time of Moses you weren't even allowed by God to go pick up food. That was God ordinance not man's in this case. Most everything in the Old Testament is a foreshadow that would be full disclosed in the New Testament. In Genesis we have a prophecy that the mantle of authority would not past from Judah’s hand until Shiloh the rest giver came. Genesis 49:10 (NASB) 10 "The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes, And to him shall be the obedience of the peoples. And in fact that authority never left Judah until 4 BC when Rome finally removed the Jewish authority to sentence anyone to death. Even through the Babylonian captivity there was Jewish king with power of life and death from the line of Judah on the throne in Jerusalem. Jesus later declared Himself the Lord of the Sabbath Matthew 12:8 (NASB) 8 "For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." When asked why His disciples traveled and gathered food on the Sabbath Jesus more or less said He was the Sabbath. We see this expanded more in Hebrews that begins in 4:1 Again if you look at Hebrews you see the discussion is rest and entering God’s rest. Jesus was the Lord of Sabbath or the provider of that rest. Man no longer needed the spiritual rest Jesus had met that need. Once again do not confuse Sabbath rest with Sunday church worship, also don’t confuse it with what the Jews do either neither is right. If you want to keep the Sabbath you must cease all work at sun down Friday and do absolutely nothing except the essentials until sun down Saturday. Doing absolutely nothing included not going to church. Nothing is nothing. Now I don’t think you can say you keep the Sabbath, all you really do is worship on Saturday. So what you have in fact done is got yourself tangled up in man made laws and you don’t even realize it. Because your leadership calls Sunday worship keeping the Sabbath on the wrong day is nonsense. Keeping the Sabbath is not about worship but rather about rest. Perhaps if you would study Sabbath rest you would have a better understanding of the falsehood of your teaching or at least you might understand the Sunday worship is entirely different than the Sabbath. Everyone know the Sabbath is the last day of the week not the first. EdB |
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2 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147540 | ||
Sorry Ed but the Sabbath was created by Gof for Man - not Jew. Just like sacrifices were required by God of Abel where there is no direct statment to say they were to do it. Just cause the Sabbath command is not in Genesis - I think it is pretty naive of us to think it was not a "law" of God when we have evidence of Abraham keeping "laws" in Gen 26:5. Ignoring the OT and relying on only 4 1st day references in the NT is just plain bad interpretation. Merv |
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3 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 147582 | ||
Merv You refuse to see the obvious and accept the truth. You are so tangled up in your 7 th day Adventist doctrine that the truth could be staring you in the face and you wouldn't see it. We know what the early Christians did. Some of them that had Jewish background continued for a time keeping the Sabbath. Those from pagan backgrounds never did. But they all came together to worship and celebrate on Sunday the day our Savior arose. Now I know you have been carefully trained to believe that the filthy old Catholics started Sunday worship in the and around 300 AD but that is false teaching. The early church honored the day of our Lord's resurrection from the beginning. EdB |
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4 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147627 | ||
Ed: Glad we can debate these issues in love. I am not tangled up but rather getting untangled from what I was taught from tradition instead of from accurate, contextual, and consistent scripture. I think I would rather base my beliefs and doctrines on exactly what Jesus did and the disciples did. As I stated their "custom" was they went to the synagogue. How come in Isaiah God said that non-jews could keep the sabbath and the covenant and been in right relationship with God. Could it be that is was law which determined men of God. Guess not. Relying again on 3-4 verses of 1st day references is just not good sound fundamental scriptural interpretation. We must have consistency from God from beginning to end. Got a question: Why was Sabbath made at the beginning before sin ? God could have created it at Sinai. BUT WAIT !!! Actually God tested Israel prior to Sinai and "law" being given. I guess he must have given it earlier that Sinai. Humm Gen.26:5 could actully mean God had His laws in place for man once created. Which would remarkedly be consistent with the creation of the Sabbath. Ya - I agree the Roman Catholic Church was not "really" corupt. Killing and persecuting was something taught by Jesus for the early Church to follow. Sorry for being sarcastic !!! You see the problem created by forcing priests to not have sex and get married is the molestation of children. Many of the popes were actually in the past were actually bastard children from the sexual relations outside of marriage. I would be good to study in detail Daniel and Revelation together to grasp who the beast symbols are in history. I do not at all condemn people in the Catholic denomination but God clearly teaches that is the last days He call people out of Babylon. We are all accountable for our own personal decisions and not acting when we are moved by the truth of the Holy Spirit. Look forward to more discussions, Merv |
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