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1 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | srbaegon | 146434 | ||
Hello Merv, And what law(s) did Abraham have? Not the Mosaic law which was to come. Rather he had some very specific laws: Leave his country (Gen 12:1) Look at what I'm giving you (Gen 13:14) Walk through the land (Gen 13:17) Gather animals (Gen 15:9) Walk before me and be blameless (Gen 17:1) You shall be circumcised (Gen 17:11,26) Do as Sarah tells you (concerning Hagar) (Gen 21:12) Offer Isaac as a burnt offering (Gen 22:2) That's enough for now. There were a few others (like it's acceptable to eat meat and avenge one murdered) that I haven't included but certainly could. There is simply no law stating that anyone could not eat an unclean animal before the Mosaic law. There is no commandment written. I don't have to explain Is 65:4. God already did it, and I've shared those verses with you. I simply accept them at face value. My argument is not illogical because it's based on what the text states. Your argument is based on the conception that a law made mandatory for Jews only is somehow applicable universally--even before it was mandated! That is simply poor exegesis and will not be tolerated. Steve |
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2 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147524 | ||
Steve: Funny that Jesus said "Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath" - I guess that Jesus who was Perfect made a mistake and should have used "Jew" or "People of Israel". He clealy used MAN because it has been and will be for ALL mankind. I think your arguement that although the Sabbath was created in to beginning "prior to sin" and "God blessed and santified it" (Gen:2:3) - Yes it makes plenty of sense to assume that for 2000 years it was sanctified by God but no one kept the day as God intended to be a blessed rest for his created man. Makes also great senses that God/Jesus whom rested on the Sabbath after He created it in Genesis, but when Jesus walked the world 4000 years later and kept the Sabbath "as His custom was" is somehow not showing a consistent God in who we believe. Can you explain - why God would require Moses to test the people of His law of the Sabbath after coming out of Egypt. Quick note: His law was not written until Sinai ???? Just like Gen:26:5 I guess the use of the different words like commandments, statues, and laws all do not refer to anything else but God telling Abraham to do something - like the things you stated. But wait It says in vs. 5 Abraham obeyed "My voice" and kept My charge, My statues, My commandments, and My laws. Remember sin is clealy defined as "transgression of the law". Cain (Gen. 4:6) - "sin lies at the door" --- Humm could it be possible Cain was thinking to kill His brother - which he did in vs.8. But Rom. 3:20 - says "for by the law is the knowledge of sin" ---- Cain knew about killing because it was a "law" -- The same laws God revealed to man prior to Sinai but the 10 comm. given at Sinai were to an entire nation not individuals prior to that. You have not explained why God was angry for them eating swine's flesh but now He is not !! Please repeat it !!! God did not cleanse unclean meat in the NT. Sorry not there. Maybe check the OT. Sorry, but we must have some humor !!!! You said "a law mandatory for Jews only" Well if we look specifically at the Sabbath - you statement is absolutely wrong according to Is. 56:4-5. Unfortunately, many "gentiles" were allowed to keep the Sabbath and recieve all the blessing that came with it. Unfortunately, most non-Jews had no belief in God and God made it plain a clear fo the Jews to keep away from unGodly people. Just like the principle of "leaven" --- a small potion of sin will corupt the whole amount of bread. But if the Non-Jews did recognize God and believe then they were required to show obedience just like the Jew. Explain - how laws only for Jews again ??? In love and respect, Merv |
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3 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | kalos | 147532 | ||
"Are the Sabbath laws binding on Christians today? " ____________________ "The New Testament never commands Christians to observe the Sabbath." ____________________ "We believe the Old Testament regulations governing Sabbath observances are ceremonial, not moral, aspects of the law. As such, they are no longer in force...Here are the reasons we hold this view. "In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a shadow of Christ, which is no longer binding since the substance (Christ) has come. It is quite clear in those verses that the weekly Sabbath is in view. The phrase "a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day" refers to the annual, monthly, and weekly holy days of the Jewish calendar (cf. 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11). If Paul were referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage, why would he have used the word "Sabbath?" He had already mentioned the ceremonial dates when he spoke of festivals and new moons. "The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant. "The New Testament never commands Christians to observe the Sabbath. "In our only glimpse of an early church worship service in the New Testament, the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7). "Nowhere in the Old Testament are the Gentile nations commanded to observe the Sabbath or condemned for failing to do so. That is certainly strange if Sabbath observance were meant to be an eternal moral principle. "There is no evidence in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the time of Moses, nor are there any commands in the Bible to keep the Sabbath before the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai. "When the Apostles met at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15), they did not impose Sabbath keeping on the Gentile believers. "The apostle Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but breaking the Sabbath was never one of them. "In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul rebukes the Galatians for thinking God expected them to observe special days (including the Sabbath). "In Romans 14:5, Paul forbids those who observe the Sabbath (these were no doubt Jewish believers) to condemn those who do not (Gentile believers). (...) "Sunday has not replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. Rather the Lord's Day is a time when believers gather to commemorate His resurrection, which occurred on the first day of the week. Every day to the believer is one of Sabbath rest, since we have ceased from our spiritual labor and are resting in the salvation of the Lord (Hebrews 4:9-11). "So while we still follow the pattern of designating one day of the week a day for the Lord's people to gather in worship, we do not refer to this as "the Sabbath." (www.gty.org) |
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4 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147537 | ||
Ok - if the 7th day Sabbath was ceremonial can you find a good reason why God put the Sabbath command in the 10 Comm. if it was to be done away with the other "sabbaths / feasts" at the cross. The ceremonial law - written by Moses was put outside the ark while the 10 Comm. were put in the ark. Maybe had to do with Rom.7:12-14, Mal. 3:6, Ps. 19:7, Ps. 111:7-8. Inside ark was most Holy Place on earth. No one to even touch the ark !!! Look closely at Lev. 23 - feasts are also called "sabbaths". I guess since we are no longer to keep the Sabbath - then God making it "santified" just goes away also with no explanation. I guess just like God made ALL unclean animals clean we can assume the same logic that God just decided to make another day "sanctified" EVEN THOUGH there not one single scriptural text which shows this being true. Col. 2:14 clearly says the ceremonial law (sacrifices) was nailed to the cross. This includes all the feasts and additional sabbaths which were a shaddow pointing to Jesus's blood sacrifice. Let's see Moses wrote all these laws and again were kept separate from the 10 Comm. So in Col. 2:16 they were not to be judged on those things revolving around the ceremonial laws of sacrifices and feasts. Lev. 23:37 definetely tells us of the food and drink offerings they were to be making on these days. This is the same food a drink discussed in Col. 2:16. Are we not "spiritual Israel". Sabbath was made for "Man" not only Jew. Sabbath created in beginning before sin and for ALL man - Man was Man then not Jewish. NT never commands Sabbath or Diet because Christians knew what Jewish people followed. In Jerusalem council - they did not list any of the 10 Comm. but we know Jesus said ti keep them. Math. 19:17. He even discussed not to hate because just like "murder". Why did not state at the council. Because this was obvious requirment and teaching of God. You cannot accept the 3-4 illustrations of 1st references without using the same principle to explain references of Jesus and Paul going to synagogue. They broke bread "daily". Paul met on first day because going away for long time. Also - man fell out of window was reason for that story. Does NT show many references to 1st day - NO - 3 to 4. They are discussed not to show a change of Sabbath but to show a mirracle, another to show a collection for needy. Remember they were to collect "and lay up in store" meaning at home. I do not think it is strange that Jesus did go to the Synagogue as an example for us. !!! Rom. 14:5 - is discussing the burden that some Jewish Christians were placing on the Gentiles to observe the feast/sabbath days not about the Sabbath. Just like the food issue in the beginnin og the chapter is not discussing a debate over clean/unclean meat but the "esteemed" unclean meat due to defilement by idols. We must read scripture in context. I am SORRY but Jesus clearly said He was "LORD OF THE SABBATH" -- could this possible be what John was referring to. The Lord's Day. Let me see this same Lord was the one who created and rested on this day. Could I please have one single scripture before Christ's death or a command or statement that would change the Lord's day from the Sabbath to the 1st day or even better a request or command or hint - that God/Jesus said that people were to honour the day of His resurection. In love and respect, Merv |
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