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1 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 146004 | ||
Greetings Merv! Let's look at the Scriptures that you list! 1) Mt. 15: One could argue either way based upon this text alone. However, Mark 7:19 makes it perfectly clear (by direct statement) that 'all foods are clean'. How can anyone argue with a direct statement? :-) 2) Acts 10:15 seems perfectly clear to me my friend. God has just shown Peter a vision of 'unclean' animals and then commanded him to eat of them. Peter refuses because he has 'never eaten anything unclean'. To which, God responds, "...Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." (Acts 10:15). This comment must refer to the only things mentioned thus far - the 'unclean' animals. 3) Finally, Rom. 14:14 is about as clear as it gets! :-) "As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean." So, how exactly are these verses examples of a false doctrine? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 146007 | ||
Tim Moran: Thanks for the feedback ! Please look at my most recent note I gave Steve on my belief of Math:15. Regarding Peter's vision - do you not find it strange that Peter's after having been one of the closest disciples to Jesus and taught by Him during His ministry - Peter still held to the diet of God. Also, nowhere does it say Peter ate the unlclean creepy things. Instead, Peter comes down off the roof and ponders the vision because he did not understand it. Not until he is at Cornelius's house that Peter reveals the understanding of the vision which was only that God has shown him that gentiles were not longer to be considered unclean. Peter repeats his experience when he was in Jerusalem in Acts 11. Nowhere do we see Peter or anyone else give the interpretation of the dream or even a dual meaning of the dream that somehow God was saying tp Peter that God has cleansed all food. Instead, the context and discussion by Peter explains that God had to use the unclean food vision to make his point because God knew Peter would not eat the unclean food because God had commanded man not to eat it. That is obviously why Peter did not immediately understand the vision. It was not until he was confronted to go to Cornelius house that he began to understand. I will comment on the other questions you had shorty. God bless, Merv |
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3 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 146043 | ||
Greetings Merv! Thanks for the response my friend! The only problem I have with your response is that the vision concerned the 'unclean animals'. Peter was commanded to eat the 'unclean animals'. Peter refused to eat the 'unclean animals'. Then, God said not to call anything unclean that He had made clean. Certainly, the ultimate purpose of the vision was to open Peter up to sharing the Gospel with a gentile. However, the immediate context of the vision is the 'unclean animals'. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 146056 | ||
Hey Tim: I looked at your profile - you must have a very busy life ! I appreciate to taking time to respond. I think we both can grow closer through scriptural investigation. I see your concern regarding God's direct statement to eat the unclean animals. But given the fact it does not record Peter eating them after three requests by God, I think that supports my position. Another support, as you noted, is Peter makes no reference after the vision to any blanket cleansing of all foods. Neither at Cornelius's house or at Jersalem in Acts 11 does Peter mention a dual meaning of the vision. With that great a revelation to food I would think that it would have been documented right away - but I see no evidence. Regarding God's command to eat and then His command to not call them unclean - I believe God used this abrupt contradictory statements to wake Peter up to the reality that the gospel would be spread to the gentiles. Remember, if it was as simple as declaring all food clean - why was Peter so confused over the vision. I think his confusion came from not understanding why God would tell him things against what he believed. I think once the Spirit worked on Peter the "light bulb" went off and then he was fully convinced it had not to do with changing God's diet but changing how man looked upon gentiles. Anyway - you can give me your thoughts. To add a little more to the mix - what do you think of Math.15 and Mark 7. Alot of Christians who say we have liberty to eat anything use the statements by Jesus as changing the food laws. But if this is correct then Peter (since he asked in Math. 15 for Jesus to explain the parable) would have already know by the time the vision happened that God had changed the food laws and would not have disobeyed God. Look forward to hearing from you, Merv |
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5 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 146136 | ||
Greetings Merv! Busy! You have no idea! ;-) We are certainly both in agreement that the primary purpose of the vision was to get Peter to view the gentiles differently. :-) However, the vision itself must have meaning in order to have meaning! :-) So, I would still differ from your approach in that I would say that God was making a statement about the 'unclean' animals. They were no longer 'unclean'. Otherwise, the vision would have no meaning since the basic message is that the gentiles are no longer unclean. As far as Matt. 15 and Mark 7 are concerned, I would approach them each a little differently. Mt. 15 never get beyond the 'unwashed hands' context. However, Mk. 7:19 includes a direct statement about Jesus. It doesn't simply say that food eaten with unwashed hands is clean. It says that Jesus declared 'all foods clean'. As far as Peter's understanding, we know from experience that the diciples did not understand much of what they were taught to much later. :-) So, it would not surprise me that it took awhile for Peter to figure it out! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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