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1 | In what way is it clear? | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 146003 | ||
Greetings Merv! First of all, welcome to the forum! Secondly, in what way is it clear that the 'he' of Dan. 9:27 refers to Christ? Do you believe that Christ is also the one who will set up the abomination mentioned in 9:27? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | In what way is it clear? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 146029 | ||
Hi Tim: Thanks for the question. No I do not believe Christ is the one who set up the abomination. The Text says "He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.(period) And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desloate. After Christ is crucified and resurected He is heaven with the Father. The predicted downfall of Jerusalem is predicted here in Daniel and also Jesus made the same predictons in Math.24. Verse 15 of Math. 24 says that when you see the "abomination of desolation" spoken of by Daniel - standing in the holy place - then let those in Judea flee to the mountains. This is exactly what happened. Rome invaded and utterly destroyed Jerusalem. This was a judgement predicted by God through Daniel and repeated by Jesus to His disciples. The "one" who comes on the wing of this abomination is the antichrist system which will lead the Church away from the truth and persecute people who try to keep the truth. This antichrist is/was the Roman Catholic Church. Their false doctrines still exist in the majority of Protestant Churches. See some of my other notes for comments. I look forward to your reply, God bless, Merv |
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3 | In what way is it clear? | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 146139 | ||
Greetings Merv! Thanks for the response my friend! This is a very difficult passage. The term 'prince' is used twice in Daniel 7, but one appears to be a reference to Christ while one appears to be a reference to the anti-christ. The question before us is whether or not 9:27 is talking about the same person or different people. First, we should note that punctuation is not original. Different translations punctuate this verse differently. The NIV uses a period. The NASV uses a comma. The KJV uses a colon. The ASV uses a colon. The LXX uses a comma. The RSV uses a semi-colon. The NRSV uses a comma. The NKJV uses a semi-colon. So, the majority of the translations see the second part of the verse as a secondary clause, not a new sentence (of course the majority isn't always right! :-) ). In this case though, I would agree with them. I believe that everything from 'the people of the ruler' on refers to the anti-christ. Otherwise, we end up with one statement refering to the anti-christ, one statement refering to Christ, one statement refering to the anti-christ - without any indication in the text that different people are being discussed. ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | In what way is it clear? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147018 | ||
Hi Tim: Yes punctuation was added by translators. A quick aside: When Jesus was on the cross and give assurance to the repentent sinner that he would have eternity with Him, the punctuation (,) is added in wrong place to give people the impression that "that very day" they would be together in Paradise. But this is a improper interpretation because clearly Jesus told Mary that He had yet ascended to His Father. If the comma is changed then we see that Jesus meant that "today" I give you assurance that the sinner would be with Him in Paradise. But just like all the rest of mankind that are dead and "returned to dust" - we will all be resurected together when Christ comes. Immortality does not come until that day. I grew up believing in the immortality of the soul but it based on tradition and not scripture. Sorry to go off track but this will be another subject for discussion. Now yes, prince is used twice but clearly both uses are distinguished but "Messiah the Prince" and the "people of the prince" who would destroy Jerusalem. One is Christ and one is teh devil leading the Roman Empire to destroy the Jews and Jerusalem. Well Tim I respect your view but would have to disagree !! Clearly, there is only one week left in Daniel's 70 week prophecy. The only week discussed refers to one who would confirm a covenant of one week. Then in the middle (3.5 years) bring an end to the sacrificial system. There are 3.5 years left after Christ's death in which the disciples stayed in Jerusalem to witness to the Jews only juts as Jesus had instructed them to do. Thus fulfilling the final week of the 70 week probation period for the Jews to repent to God. Thus the majority of Jews rejected Jesus and the Gospel - then the final destruction of Jerusalem came in 70 AD. But note that once Stephen wad martyred 3.5 years after Christ died this was then beginning of the Gospel to go to the Gentiles. Thus the 70 year period was over for the Jews. Remember that this futurist theory ((pushing the final week (tribulation period) out 2000 plus years) was a result of the Protestant reformation and the Catholic Church wanting to decieve the world into believing the antichrist was not yet come. This clearly disagrees with Jesus's own teaching that there were already "antichrist's" in the shaddows awaiting to corrupt the Gospel. The gap theory is CLEARLY wrong and not logical. 69 weeks happened literally - why do we have a 2000 plus year interuption when NOWHERE in Daniel 9 it tells us this. Why !!! This is added to deceive people away from seeing that the antichrist system was indeed the Roman empire and then followed by the Catholic Church. This is then followed by the Protestant reformation which is the "image of the beast" - Although the protestants have reformed in many areas they still uphold to many paganistic doctines like the Sabbath - which is a clear violation of God's Law. But unfortunately people do not see this because "status qo" is comfortable. Now Tim I do not think for an instance that all people are going to hell which many say as a defense to make 7th day adventists to seem judgemental. I believe "light will be given to all" to make a decision. Remember the devil is in the business to make God out to be unjust. How could a just and loving God uphold a single day to be so important. What is the big deal with a day. But what if we had the same attitude to sexual preference in patners. The whole Christian community would not tolerate it. Well Tim - I look forward to your thoughts !! Merv |
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