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1 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | srbaegon | 146130 | ||
Hello Merv, "The scriptural evidence is in Lev. / Deut." Precisely, therefore nobody in Genesis was bound to it. "Although they did not have the sacrificial system as the people of Israel but they obviously had been instructed by God as to what he wanted done to show atonement for there sin." This is an assumption. (BTW, I don't disagree, I just bring this up as a statement of fact. It's unprovable.) "The law that governed atonement for sin was the 'law of sacrifices and offerings' or 'ceremonial law' or 'law of Moses'." If I understand what you wrote then: law of sacrifices equals ceremonial law equals law of Moses. I cannot agree with that. The law of Moses is everything given to Moses, not just a part. "God wrote the 10 commandments with His own finger." Twice even. What patience! "The Mosaic law which listed the sacrificial laws was written by Moses and inspired by God. The covenant with Israel was made to the entire people therefore they needed a law to govern them all. God dealt with the people prior to Sinai on a individual basis. The laws to Israel were specific to Israel that is why God took away the sacrificial laws at the cross and are not binding on the Gentile or Jewish Christians now." Agreed. :-) But I would ask why you only include the sacrificial laws. There were others regarding disease, dress, hygiene, etc. Were any of these put away as well? "But the diet is given to man not Israel." I partially agree. God gave Adam, Noah, and Moses dietary laws. Those to Adam and Noah would be to all men. The one to Moses could only be for Israel. Steve |
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2 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 146259 | ||
Steve: I fully agree that the bible does not record formal "laws" until time of Moses but I do not think you are giving equality to all man. I do not think at all that Cain did not know it was wrong to kill. Obvioulsy, "if" they were already sacrificing to atone for sin the pretty good chance God had laid out to them on individual basis or family basis or "father past down to children basis" but they knew right from wrong. I think to take a position different than that make Gen. 26:5 to be uninspired. I think sacrificial laws and everything specific to that (feasts) were done away with. Diet laws were indeed given to man. Merv |
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3 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | DocTrinsograce | 146265 | ||
Hi, Merv... There are hints at pre-deluvian records. Some even speculate that parts of Genesis have such origin, even dating back to Adam. Josephus mentions an attempt to preserve such records by the sons of Seth (see "Antiquities of the Jews" Book 1, chapter 2, paragraph 3). Of course, this is all very speculative. :-) God has carefully preserved what we have in Scripture. We could all probably agree on the doctrine of the sufficiency of Scripture. ("The sufficiency of Scripture means that Scripture contained all the words of God He intended His people to have at each stage of redemptive history, and that it now contains all the words of God we need for salvation, for trusting Him perfectly, and for obeying Him perfectly." Dr. Wayne Grudem) In Him, Doc |
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4 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 146394 | ||
So if law (Gen.26:5) has its roots in Genesis then why the argument against the Sabbath. It was created before man sinned !!! Merv |
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5 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | DocTrinsograce | 146398 | ||
Hi, Merv... My personal opinion is rooted in a combination of the traditional explanation for the Sunday Sabbath and the implication of Hebrews 4. In Him, Doc |
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6 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 146400 | ||
Doc: Math 15:3 -- pretty clear on not following tradition Heb: 4 --- clearly states their remaineth a Sabbath. 1 John 2:4 -- 10 commandments are unchanging Merv |
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7 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | DocTrinsograce | 146421 | ||
Dear Merv, Matthew 15:3 is talking about oral traditions (the Mishnah). See 2 Thessalonians 2:15 and 3:16 for contrast. Also, the word "traditional" in the way I was using it simply meant "commonly understood" or "commonly given." Hence, the commonly given response to our Sunday worship services is to commemorate the resurrection of Christ. This explanation dates to the very early church. Hebrews 4 implies a distinction between the day when God the Father ceased His work (verse 4, the seventh day of the week) and the day when Christ the Son ceased His work (verse 10, the first day of the week). As I pointed out earlier, this is an implication that appears to echo the commonly given explanation of the church. 1 John 2:4 is hearkening back to John 14:21. The "Him" in 1 John 2:4 is Jesus (see the context). (Scripture should always be used to explain scripture.) Christ clarified the Law. Furthermore, remember that He is, after all, "the Lord of the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5). Merv, I do not say the following with rancor, but only by way of explanation: We see God's revelation as closed, and we look to the Scriptures as our sole authority. (As the old divines put it, "The supreme judge, by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Scripture delivered by the Spirit, into which Scripture so delivered, our faith is finally resolved.") No matter how well intentioned or even knowledgeable she was, we do not see Ellen White as having greater authority than the Scriptures. Her teachings -- as is true of anyone's teachings -- either stand or fall in the light of the Word. In Him, Doc |
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8 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 146816 | ||
Doc: Where is the one singl verse in the NT that commands that the Church worship on the 1st day of the week. If it is not int he scripture then it is based on tradition of man which the Bible clearly teaches against !!!! Merv |
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9 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | DocTrinsograce | 146821 | ||
Hi, Merv... Keep your e-shirt on, buddy! :-) The NT never gives an explicit command to worship on ANY day of the week. However, aside from the Hebrews chapter 4 reference that I've already given you, here are two other passages that give us a pattern by implication. "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them..." (Acts 20:7a) "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." (1 Corinthians 16:2) I've already talked to you about tradition, son. Your repeated use of that argument indicates that you are not listening to what is said to you. As brother Hank puts it, "That dog don't hunt." Remember, you don't have to agree with another person's conclusions just because you receive correction to your own faulty reasoning. (Proverbs 15:10) There is no loss of face in the response, "I stand corrected." In Him, Doc |
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10 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147243 | ||
Hey Doc: You seem to maybe be offended for me not recognizing your arguement. I am here on this forum to discuss scripture and here views on scripture. If I hold strong views I think you must respect my passion and love for God to know Him better and learn His truths. I do not agree that there are three different answers to the 4th commandment of God. 1) Everyday can be a Sabbath 2) the 1st day is now the Sabbath 3) the 7th day is the Sabbath. I just want clear answers to my questions. Giving examples of things the disciples did on a certain does not provide evidence of a new Sabbath unless you can show me within those scriptures a command to recognize a new Sabbath day. Using these scriptures is a similar arguement used when people use Acts 10 - 11 to show all meats are now clean - even though in Is. 65:4 clearly states eating swine's flesh makes God angry. Is. 56 clearly shows that not ONLY Jews kept the Sabbath. Humm - there goes the arguement that only Jews were required to keep the Sabbath. I am sorry but to use examples of 1st day meetings is no evidence whatsoever of God changing His mind on what day He made Holy and sanctified as a day of rest which gives us the opportunity to worship Him, and do "good" - just as Jesus did in the NT even though confronted by the Pharisees. Also, Jesus and Paul clearly show us the real Sabbath was the one they kept as their "custom" was. Look forward to more discussion, In the love and truth of Christ, Merv |
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