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1 | identifying modalism: church prevalence? | Bible general Archive 2 | Reighnskye | 135530 | ||
How prevalent is the doctrine of "modalism" in the church? And how is it precisely identified? If I am understanding correctly, "modalism" partly involves the idea that the Old Testament appearances of God are actually Jesus the Son appearing, as if the Father and the Son were one single being, that changed form now and then. For example, when God appeared to Moses in the burning bush. Was that the Father or the Son, or both? Can't be both, right? - In contrast, here are some references to the Holy Trinity in the context of divine scripture: Matthew 28 19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, (NAS95) 2 Corinthians 13 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. (NAS95) - And here are some verses in the New Testament, wherein we have the divine appearance of all three members of the Holy Trinity simultaneously. Matthew 3 13 Then Jesus *arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him. 16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, 17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." (NAS95) Mark 1 9 In those days Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 10 Immediately coming up out of the water, He saw the heavens opening, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon Him; 11 and a voice came out of the heavens: "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased." (NAS95) - And here are some verses from both the New Testament and the Old Testament, wherein the Father and the Son directly and simultaneously interact with each other. John 12 23 And Jesus *answered them, saying, "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 28 "Father, glorify Your name." Then a voice came out of heaven: "I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again." 29 So the crowd of people who stood by and heard it were saying that it had thundered; others were saying, "An angel has spoken to Him." 30 Jesus answered and said, "This voice has not come for My sake, but for your sakes. (NAS95) Daniel 7 9 "I kept looking Until thrones were set up, And the Ancient of Days took His seat; His vesture was like white snow And the hair of His head like pure wool. His throne was ablaze with flames, Its wheels were a burning fire. 10 "A river of fire was flowing And coming out from before Him; Thousands upon thousands were attending Him, And myriads upon myriads were standing before Him; The court sat, And the books were opened. 13 "I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14 "And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed. (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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2 | identifying modalism: church prevalence? | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 135531 | ||
Dear Reighnskye - Keeping all the "isms" sorted out in our minds and clearly defined is quite a trick, isn't it? .... Modalism maintains that there is one God who manifests Himself successively as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit but who is not contemporaneously all three. Modalism is one of the three basic errors into which men have frequently fallen with reference to the doctrine of God. The other two are called Subordinationism and Tritheism. Subordinationism views the Son and the Holy Spirit as essentially and eternally subordinate to the Father. Tritheism asserts that there are three gods rather than one God who is three Persons. ..... Triunity (Trinity) is wholly scriptural and is the doctrine held by orthodox Christians for centuries. It is the distinctive and essentiall Christian doctrine that there is one God in three Persons. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. There is a distinction between the Persons so that the Father is not the Son, the Father is not the Spirit, and the Son is not the Spirit. Each is a Person . The Holy Spirit is not to be envisioned as a mere force or influence. An example of this theological blunder regarding the Spirit may be found in the teachings of the Watchtower cult. They also embrace their own peculiarly skewered brand of Subordinationism. ..... Sorry, but I have no really clear idea of how prevalent modalism is in our time. I know it's an earmark of the Oneness Pentecostals, and of some Unitarian groups, and of a few other small sects. Where in the world do you get all your complex questions? :-) --Hank | ||||||
3 | identifying modalism: church prevalence? | Bible general Archive 2 | Reighnskye | 135538 | ||
Hank, There is certainly an innumerable score of heresies which litter our world, and indeed many have infiltrated, if not originated, from our own organized religious systems. Modalism would largely be a succession then of Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Mere manifestations of a greater cosmic God? Their are weaknesses in the doctrine, certainly, assuming we hold to the veracity of scripture. Subordinationism then places a ranking among the members of the Triune Godhead. And Tritheism asserts that there are three separate gods. Okay, that makes sense. Now, in regards to Trinity (Triunity), I've been told that it is not something that we can readily comprehend with our finite minds, but rather it can only be apprehended. Although, I'm not quite certain of the differentiation. I also view the Holy Spirit as possessing distinct personality, even as the Holy Spirit spoke with a direct voice to the early church. Acts 13 2 While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." 3 Then, when they had fasted and prayed and laid their hands on them, they sent them away. (NAS95) - Although, I have many times directly experienced the flow of supernatural energies from my torso and limbs, I have been careful to differentiate between the personality of the Holy Spirit and the power of the Holy Spirit. I can easily understand how some can reduce God to a mere energy force in this sense, if they are held sway to a lesser discernment of God's divine nature. As to where in the world that I get all of my complex questions, I have been myself saturated with supernatural experience, that triggers a more delicate sensitivity to heresies within the church. I engage in a practice of fasting and wake extension, which accelerates this supernatural sensitivity. In other words, amid directly encountering a number of the members of the various archonic species, I find that I must more specifically isolate the ways that God operates. The local church has been hard-put to provide sound education concerning the intricacies of doctrine. Thus I must investigate more thouroughly, in this sense. Thank you for your clarifications on this matter of doctrine. - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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