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1 | What is an angel | Bible general Archive 2 | LSmith | 126980 | ||
What is an angel | ||||||
2 | What is an angel | Bible general Archive 2 | Country Girl | 126981 | ||
The meaning of angel throughout the Bible has always been "messenger of God." Is there something in particular about angels you wish to know? Please elaborate. Also, it'll help greatly if you can pinpoint which angel in scripture to whom you're referring. Blessings to you. Country Girl |
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3 | Lucifer kicked out of heaven | Bible general Archive 2 | LSmith | 126989 | ||
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4 | Lucifer kicked out of heaven | Bible general Archive 2 | Ancient | 126996 | ||
LSmith, There was never an angel named Lucifer. This word is a Latin word that means "light-bearer," and was, in the second century, taught by Origen in "The First Principles" to be the "identification" of an opposing power (though he quoted it more than specified it as a name) that rose up in rebellion against God. The passage this theory comes from is Isaiah chapter 14, but many scholars are in agreement that the prophetic statements are referring to the fallen king of Babylon. Another passage often used to describe the fall (though the person in question is not called Lucifer here) is Ezekiel chapter 28. These prophetic statements are of the same ilk. Other scripture, if carefully observed, will show that this passage, too, is relating to the stated subject of the passage; the king of Tyrus. The only clear reference we have to Satan being kicked out of heaven is in Revelation chapter 12. Here, the dragon is identified as being the devil and Satan, and at the conclusion of a battle between himself and his angels against Michael and the host of heaven, he is finally cast down to the earth. The events of these happenings, based upon the earlier passages of this same Revelation chapter 12, relate this event as taking place after the ascension of Christ. The woman, commonly recognized by many as being Israel, brings forth a manchild that will rule all nations with a rod of iron. If you search the scriptures, you will find that Jesus is the one commonly spoken of as being ordained to rule in such a manner. Then this woman's child is caught up to God and to his throne. The woman flees into the wilderness, "and there was war in heaven." It is not my intent to provoke a discussion of premillenialism/preterism, but to address the question. According to the chronological order of events in Revelation 12, Satan falls after the ascension of Christ. If Revelation 12 deals with the future, as premillenialists hold to, then it hasn't happened yet, and perhaps the manchild is a symbolic reference to the church being taken up to God and his throne. If Revelation 12 is a forgone conclusion, then he fell after Christ ascended. Either way, I haven't read anything to positively conclude that Satan fell before the creation of man. All other scriptures indicate that he still spoke with God, and that he was "going to be" punished in the Great Day of the Lord. See Isaiah 26:16-27:1 for a comparison to Revelation chapter 12. The two correlate well. Thanks for your patience. This, as always regarding Revelation based topics, is my view according to what I have seen, not absolute fact. I hope I was able to edify you. Ancient |
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5 | Lucifer kicked out of heaven | Bible general Archive 2 | TheFinalSQL | 127002 | ||
I am mindful of your feelings. Here is a scripture to take into account in regard to Satan's fall from heaven. NASB: Luke 10:18 And He said to them, I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning. KJV: Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Reading Revelation 12 it does make it difficult to determine what happened when. Reading Matthew 4 Jesus being led to the wilderness to be tempted... I think I just found the answer. I see what you are saying of Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. I think they serve a dual purpose. Luke 10:18 is past tense. Jesus seen Satan fall from heaven. Now lets look at Isaiah 14:12 Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Notice fallen is past tense. Just as Luke 10:18 Ezekiel 28:16 however is future tense Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. I will cast out, future tense. Fall from heaven, past tense. I would have to conclude falling from heaven and being cast out from heaven as being two different events. Satan's fall from heaven has aleady happened, but Satan has not yet been cast out from heaven. Praise the Lord! Norm |
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6 | Lucifer kicked out of heaven | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 127013 | ||
Norm You said,"I would have to conclude falling from heaven and being cast out from heaven as being two different events. Satan's fall from heaven has aleady happened, but Satan has not yet been cast out from heaven." that is a good conclusion. We know Satan is the accuser of the brethern. Therefore to accuse he must have access to heaven. However the day is coming what that access will cut off Rev 12. EdB |
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