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1 | explain II Chronicles 7:14 | OT general | 3405 Hickory | 179054 | ||
what is the meaning of II chronicles 7:14 please explain | ||||||
2 | explain II Chronicles 7:14 | OT general | jlhetrick | 179055 | ||
Hello Hickory, Welcome to the forum :) 2 Chronicles 7:14 is easier understood with some background knowledge of man's relationship with the righteous and holy God. God was speaking here to His chosen Israel, however, the connotation carries over to believers today, perhaps more specifically the church since He was addressing them as a nation. We have to take the verse in context (always). Notice in the prior verse God said to Solomon "if I send pestilence" (among other things)"among my people..." vs 14 "and my people...humble themselves.." humbling themselves would indicate an acceptance of deserving nothing more than the pestilence and such. Because they were, as we are, sinners no good thing from God is deserved. When we truly understand and accept this and then approach God from that understanding, we do so in humility. Thus, the verse continues.."and pray and seek My face..." An acknowledgement of who God is and a turning to Him in total dependence. "...and turn from their wicked ways..." Once again, in their (our) humility they acknowledge that their ways amount to nothing more than wickedness because they are capable of nothing more. Is it possible to truly repent without first acknowledging the sin? But still, repentance is more than acknowledging sin, even when doing so in true humility. There must be the turning away.. this is repentance. Then and only then does He promise to "hear" and "forgive their sin" and "heal their land." Mic 3:4 4 Then they will cry to the LORD, but he will not answer them; he will hide his face from them at that time, because they have made their deeds evil. ESV James 4:10 (NASB95) 4:10 Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you. Hope this helps shed some light. Other's more capable will eventually respond. God bless, Jeff |
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3 | explain II Chronicles 7:14 | OT general | Searcher56 | 179061 | ||
God's day to you, Jeff, The CONTEXT of this passage doesn't allow it to be applied to Christians or the US. Read my answer to 3405 Hickory. S |
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4 | explain II Chronicles 7:14 | OT general | jlhetrick | 179079 | ||
Hello Searcher and thanks for the input. Let me respectfully disagree with your position here. I did read your post to Hickory, however, it appears to be a post directed to me instead and doesn't really, in my opinion, begin to answer Hickory's question, and/or attempt to explain the verse. My thought is that you either missed the point entirely, or I failed to articulate it properly. In either case allow me to attempt to address and clarify my point. To begin with let me clarify by referrring back to my post; that I clearly stated that the words spoken by God in the verse in question was spoken to Solomon regarding Israel. So there should be no confusion there I hope. But the confilict appears to be your disagreement with my applying the content to Christians today and the church as a whole. To be clear, I never applied the passage to the US and would never attempt to do so. The US is not "God's people". But Christians certainly are (John 10:27-29 for example). God's choosing the nation of Israel and electing individuals to salvation (including you and me) are very definately two separate issues; the details of which are something for a separate topic perhaps. So to the clarification. Your point is reflected in your question to Hickory: "… has this ever happened to us? "If I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or if I command the locust to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among My people. My short answer is, yes. Many trials and tribulations are experienced daily by individual Christians as well as the larger church body. Please don't miss the point here, my response to Hickory was very focused. The message very clearly taught in the passage was/is that of fallen Israel's relationship with Creator God. The application, man's (our) fallen state, the need for acknowledgement of sin in humility, the requirement of repentance and the requisit of total dependence on God. It's about relationship my friend. It is not required that we specifically experience a drout (though we have and many individual Christian farmers have endured one of their life's biggest challenges) or pestilence (though we have been dealing with that world-wide for decades on a large scale). No, the message, and perhaps the purpose of it's inclusion for our benefit today is, God's holy and righteous standard regarding man's position before Him. So regarding your final statement "Even if we are His people called by His name, the context doesn’t allow this verse to apply to Christians..." I whole-heartedly, and respectfully disagree. In addition, you might also consider what the Scriptures give us (you and me and all Christians) to apply from the lesson of Job. To date, God has never allowed Satan direct access to inflict my body to be covered head to toe in oozing sores. Still, in what sickness I have endured, and that of loved ones, it is Job's story, more than any other, that I have drawn strength and faith in God. This is what I mean by application. Hope I made better sense in this post. Again, thanks for the input my brother, Jeff |
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5 | explain II Chronicles 7:14 | OT general | Searcher56 | 179099 | ||
God's day to you, Jeff I wanted hickory to get notified of another view. Not all prophecies, promises and penalties apply to everyone. Some are limited to a specific person or people ... even a limited period or place. "If I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or if I command the locust to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among My people" is very specific and does not mean trials. Moreover, the context shows it is about Israel and Solomon only (vv 17ff). Searcher |
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6 | explain II Chronicles 7:14 | OT general | jlhetrick | 179115 | ||
Hello again Searcher, I'm confident that Hickory appreciated your post. My efforts were to answer his question by explaining the verse, thus, my explaining that the Lord was speaking to Solomon about Israel. My intention beyond that was to draw the conclusion out in a way that best represents good bible study. That is, how do I, the student today, evaluate the Scripture and apply it to my life and my relationship with God. I'm glad you posted and gave me the opportunity to be more clear about my position. My impression of you, based on having followed your posts for some time, is that you are a well grounded and serious student of the word. Your understanding of the Word is always appreciated and always contributes to deeper thought and consideration. Again, thanks and God bless, JEff |
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