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1 | Heaven be entered during bowl judgments? | Bible general Archive 1 | Chusarcik | 72576 | ||
Revelation 15:8 says no one can enter the temple in heaven until the seven plagues of the seven bowl plagues are finished. Does this mean no human can enter heaven at all during this time and if so, why? And if no human can enter heaven does it mean they have not ever entered heaven and will not until the 7 plagues are done or only that they cannot enter during the time the 7 plagues are poured out? I asked a similar question last week and in reviewing the answers am becoming more confused by this. Can anyone shed some light on this topic? | ||||||
2 | Heaven be entered during bowl judgments? | Bible general Archive 1 | David_24597 | 72577 | ||
Rev. 8:5 also shows that Jesus no longer mediates between God and fallen mankind once the seven last plagues start. I think I posted something about this before. There IS a literal temple in heaven (Heb. 8 something or other). Moses was shown a pattern in Mt Sinai and made the earthly temple after that pattern. This symbol of no one being able to enter the temple in heaven would also seem (like Rev. 8:5) to indicate that God no longer offers the chance of repentance to humanity. Rev. 22:11 points to this as well. I don't have all the references right now for this, but no one can enter heaven unless Jesus comes to get them. The only exceptions are Enoch and Elijah cause they never died anyway. Those who are dead must wait in their graves for the resurrection before entering heaven. Job mentions this. Dan. chapter 12 contains a command for him to wait (rest in the grave) until the last days for his salvation. Somewhere in the book of Acts it shows that King David has not YET ascended into heaven. Paul also (I forget excatly where) stated he had to wait for Jesus to come before he could receive his reward of eternal life. Anyway, does this help you any? It's amazing how a study of the prophecies of just Dan. and Rev. can shed light on many errors of doctrines of today's churches. Perhaps that is why they have been included in the Bible, why it is so important for God's people to read and understand and why there is so much conflict over what they mean. People have to (so obviously) twist around what is being said in Dan. and Rev. just to hold on to their own individual church doctrines and beliefs. By studying these things such false beliefs are shown for what they are and God's true gospel can shine forth. |
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3 | Making sure I understand your meaning | Bible general Archive 1 | Chusarcik | 72640 | ||
Are you saying that in general, throughout history no one has entered into heaven and will be able to after Jesus' 2nd coming. About Jesus no longer petitioning for man during the 7 plagues, if this is the case, why does it state in plagues 4 and 5 that the people still wouldn't repent, as if they are still able to repent? Would you let me know if I'm understanding your info correctly? Thankyou very much for your help, Chusarcik | ||||||
4 | Making sure I understand your meaning | Bible general Archive 1 | srbaegon | 72644 | ||
Hello Chusarcik The following clearly shows that we go to be with the Lord when we die. 2 Cor. 5:6-10 (ESV) So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, [7] for we walk by faith, not by sight. [8] Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. [9] So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. [10] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil. Steve |
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5 | Making sure I understand your meaning | Bible general Archive 1 | David_24597 | 72669 | ||
Hey Steve. Notice verses 10, 16 and 17 of the text you gave in II Cor. 5. Paul is talking about deeds done in the flesh (the lust of the flesh). This is what he means when he says "absent from the body". I paraphrase, "absent from the deeds (or lusts) of the body." Paul knew (like Job 14:10-15 and 19:26, Dan. 12:13 and King David Acts 2:34-35) that he would have to wait in the grave (like all the saved) for his resurrection before he could go to heaven. II Tim. 4:8. Study the state of the dead (especially what the OT prophets say about it). Get a good concordance. Look up the words: dead, death, perish, sleep, awake, etc. and see that the dead must wait in their graves for a resurrection before they can enter heaven. The dead don't even exist right now. (Except perhaps in the memory of God.) Check out Ps. 104:29-30, 146:4; Eccl. 12:7; Isa. 26:19 In fact, should there be no resurrection from the dead, then the dead in Christ are perished. I Cor. 15:12-23 says a lot about this. Notice verse 23 also. Anyway, I hope this helps. Like I said, get a good concordance. Check it out for yourself. Make sure you know everything the Bible says about the state of the dead (not just a verse or two that might not mean what you think it means). |
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6 | Making sure I understand your meaning | Bible general Archive 1 | srbaegon | 72723 | ||
Hello David_24597 Perhaps you should look at the context 2 Cor 5. There is nothing which speaks of the fleshly lusts, only what is done while in the body. The only help you've given is to help cloud a perfectly clear matter. Steve |
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