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1 | What is the time of the tribulation? | Bible general Archive 1 | Pemican | 72181 | ||
The Tribulation is a seven year period in which the wrath of God is poured out on mankind. It is the worst period of all of human history in terms of suffering, death, war, famine, disease etc., especially the last three and a half years. But it is also a period of unprecedented evangelism. Angels become visible and make proclamations to mankind. Moses and Elijah are brought back to preach. God sends out 144,00 Jewish evangelists over the face of the earth to preach the gospel. The Second Advent of Christ ends the Tribulation just prior to the end of the seven years. Then the baptism of fire occurs in which Christ removes all unbelievers from the face of the earth so that only believers remain to repopulate the earth for the Millennium. When will this occur? No one knows. Do not be misled by those who claim to know when the Tribulation or the Second Advent will occur. So many have tried and failed in the past it is unbelievable. I am sure even now there are lots of people who say they know. But here is what the Bible says about the time, (specifically the time of the Second Advent): "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." Matt 24:36 Pemican |
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2 | What is the time of the tribulation? | Bible general Archive 1 | David_24597 | 72184 | ||
Again, Pemican, I ask you to supply your references for these things you are saying. | ||||||
3 | What is the time of the tribulation? | Bible general Archive 1 | Pemican | 72206 | ||
The seven year length of the Tribulation is derived from Daniel's prophecy of the 70 weeks. (Dan 9:24-27) These are 70 weeks of years or 490 years. 69 of these weeks or 483 years have already been completed historically in the age of Israel. But the Church Age interrupted the Age of Israel and the last 7 years has yet to be completed. When the Church is removed at the rapture the Age of Israel resumes and Daniel's prophecies will be completed. I might throw in that the Tribulation is also known as "the time of Jacob's trouble" (Israel). It centers around Israel and the Jews not the Church. David I understand your frustration. You want to see the proof and you are right to insist on it. But it makes people like me hesitate before posting anything at all. We know we are opening a can of worms, and the questions never end. Thirty years ago I was like you. Lots of questions and confusion and no one seemed to know the answers. But I found a pastor who really knew his stuff. He studied and taught from the Greek and Hebrew every night of the week. He explained the meaning in the original languages, in the context of the passage and the historical and cultural context as well. Those who faithfully listened to his ministry learned systematic theology sitting in the pew. Find yourself a great pastor and when you find him be a faithful learner. Great pastors are rare, but they do exist. This is what it means to be a true disciple (student) of Christ. Pemican |
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4 | What is the time of the tribulation? | Bible general Archive 1 | David_24597 | 72213 | ||
OK Pemican, I see where you're coming from now. Have you researched Dan. 9:24-27 in the original languages? Anyway, if you read the text, you can see that it doesn't mention anywhere in there that the last week of the 70 weeks are divided from the first 69 weeks by another time period. Rather consider what is to occur throughout the entire 70 weeks in verse 24. One of them is "to make reconciliation for iniquity". This could only be the death of Jesus on the cross. Now consider verse 25. The starting point of the 70 weeks is given here. The "command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem". There are three recorded decrees for this. The last one (and the one that actually prompted the Jewish migration to Jerusalem with the intent to rebuild it) is recorded in Ezra 6:3 and dates to the year 457 B.C. Seven weeks later (49 years) the streets and walls of Jerusalem were built (408 B.C. - look it up). 62 weeks after that (434 years) would bring us to the Messiah - the "Annointed One" (I'm still in verse 25). This brings us to the year 27 A.D. (remember there was no zero year - 1 A.D. came after 1 B.C.). It's pretty much well know that Jesus was born late Sept./early Oct. in the year 4 B.C. At this time the old Levitical laws were still in effect and a Priest or Prophet would begin His public ministry when He turned 30 years of age. Jesus was baptised/annointed when he turned 30 on the year 27 A.D. (coincidence?). The first 69 weeks of the 70 is now over. Now go back to verse 24 and (knowing that Jesus had not yet been crucified in 27 A.D.) that the "reconciliation for iniquity" had not yet happened. Yet it belongs in the 70 weeks. Now consider verse 27. "In the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease." The "sacrifice and oblation" ("zebach minchah" in Hebrew) refer to the sacrificial services of the old Levitical laws (Look it up). Jesus' public ministery lasted for 3 1/2 years at the end of which He was crucified and the Levitical sacrificial system ended (another coincidence?). Also consider the "overspreading of abominations He shall make it desolate" is NOT the "abomination of desolation" mentioned in others parts of Daniel or in Matt. 24. From the way it is worded (even in the Hebrew - "shiqquwts shamen") it shows a "desolation (or destruction) of abomination". This also happened at Jesus' crucifixion (the Jewish sacrificial system had become corrupted and WAS an abomination at this time). Jesus' death on the cross destroyed it (made it desolate). No offense to anyone, but I'm starting to wonder if this forum is not church affiliated in any way. I thought at first that it might be a forum or group of people interested in studying the Bible, but I'm seeing a lot of indoctrinated beliefs in here. Not just this thread but in other threads on the forum as well. I've only been here a short time but have seen several instances where some of the plain techings of the Bible are being discarded in favor of indoctrinated beliefs. Has anybody else experienced this also? |
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5 | What is the time of the tribulation? | Bible general Archive 1 | BradK | 72222 | ||
Welcome David, As to your question regarding "church affiliation", there is nothing direct.We represent a variety of backrounds and denominations. Feel free to check out my user profile and those of others for more specifics. However, as you've notice there is a fair amount of "indoctrinated beliefs" posted by individuals from time to time. Thankfully, the majority of these are eventually removed because of various violations, etc. It is a responsibilty I take seriously, to "accurately handle the Word of God" (2 Tim.2:15). By far, the majority of others on this Forum,as you should note are very sound in their approach to Biblical exegesis and interpretation. I've been blessed, and it is my hope that you will be also:-) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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6 | What is the time of the tribulation? | Bible general Archive 1 | David_24597 | 72229 | ||
Thx, Brad. I, too, take II Tim. 2:15 very seriously (as well as Isa. 8:20 and 28:10). I'm glad this forum isn't just another way for some church to further their own agendas. If that were the case I would find a different forum/website (group) to study the Bible with. I believe if we let the Bible tell us what it means (especially some more difficult, hard to understand texts) then we will all, eventually, come to the same truths together. Personally I prefer the KJV of the Bible. I find it is a more accurate translation from the originals than other translations. Still, though, I find it necessary to research the exact literal translation from the originals just in case those that interpreted the KJV might have made some mistakes. I have found a few (but not many) and sometimes this research even shows a deeper meaning to the text than I might have previously thought. Anyway (so far LOL) I like this forum and enjoy having Bible discussions with anyone. Especially if I end up going back to the Bible and looking stuff up and cross referencng them and...LOL. If I seem to be shory tempered, or abrubt or anything in some things I say please forgive me. I don't mean to be that way. We all have personallity flaws that we must work on. Mine is lack of patience and short tempered nature. I also have trouble being tolerant of ignorance. Please forgive me ahead of time if I offend anyone. I'm still wotking on these problems myself. And don't really mean to be so blunt at times. |
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