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1 | Babies in heaven when they die? | Bible general Archive 1 | orthodoxy | 5885 | ||
The Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter X, item iii: Elect infants, dying in infancy, are regenerated, and saved by Christ, through the Spirit, who worketh when, and where, and how he pleaseth: so also are all other elect persons who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word. Gen. 17:7; Luke 1:15; 18:15-16; Acts 2:39, 4:12; John 3:3, 5, 8, 16:7-8, ; I John 5:12 Of course, that is the Reformed position, and it doesn't work unless you have Reformed soteriology. Also, faithful members of the covenant have the right, based upon the promises of God, to expect that God will work in their children. Thus, Christians who lose a child may be comforted thus, but unbelievers may not. |
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2 | Babies in heaven when they die? | Bible general Archive 1 | Radioman | 5900 | ||
1) "...so also are all other elect persons who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word." NASB Romans 10:13-14 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED." How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? 2) The implication that non-elect babies go to hell to suffer eternal torment and torture is both cruel and absurd. 3) "Also, faithful members of the covenant have the right, based upon the promises of God, to expect that God will work in their children. Thus, Christians who lose a child may be comforted thus, but unbelievers may not." Surprise! Bulletin! Hello? God does not have any grandchildren, contrary to your doctrine. 4) "...it doesn't work unless you have Reformed soteriology." I don't believe I've ever had that. Is it something you can get by drinking from a public water fountain? |
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3 | Babies in heaven when they die? | Bible general Archive 1 | orthodoxy | 5927 | ||
1) It is true that whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved. This is unquestioned by everyone who may call themselves a Christian. But look at what the verse actually says. It only speaks about those who call on the name of the Lord. It says nothing at all about those who do not. You have to look elsewhere for that. You want get around Scriptural teaching on justification, go ahead, but don't expect help from this direction. 2) What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on who I will have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharoah, "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display mt power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. One of you will say to me, "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'" Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use? What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath - prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objecdts of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory - even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? As he says in Hosea, "I will call them 'my people' who are not my people, and I will call her 'my loved one' who was not my loved one," and, "It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people," that they will be called sons of the living God.'" The above is Romans 9:14-26. I did not quote it or state the reference first, because I want you, all of you, to read it. Just read it as an argument. It is abundantly clear in its thrust. Paul leaves no room for difference of opinion or subtlety of meaning. There is no way you can get out of it. This is what Scripture says, clearly, directly, and in a book devoted to justification. The context is justification, the purpose is education about justification, and the conclusion is that _God justifies whoever he wants irrespective of human considerations_. Deal with it. 3) I have no idea where you get the concept of "God's grandchildren." Certainly nothing from what I said. 4) If all you have to contribute is derogatory comments, then keep them for yourself. You only succeed in making yourself look foolish. |
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