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1 | deeds of the law | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 56988 | ||
Estelle, "Unlike BC, today we do not 'atone' for sin because it is impossible to pay the price for it (although Catholicism believes otherwise). Jesus' blood washes us clean as we pray for God's forgiveness of both known and unknown sin in our lives. As we continue to seek truth, we should ask the Holy Spirit to reveal our sins to us so that we can confess them specifically and turn from them with the help of God (see John 3:21)." Actually Catholics do not believe otherwise. Catholics believe the atoning blood of Christ and only the blood of Christ washes us clean and achieves for us eternal salvation. This is the primary subject matter of the New Testament. There is a distinction,however, between eternal and temporal atonement and salvation. The Old Testament deals in essence with temporal salvation and atonement. The Old Testament rarely if ever in unabiguous terms refers to eternal salvation and atonement. Usually it refers to temporal salvation, such as deliverance from slavery in Egypt or physical death or the various other enemies of Israel or from plagues that Israel may or may not have brought upon itself by sin. It is mainly the temporal consequence of sin we see addressed in the Old Testament when sin is addressed. A few examples from among hundreds of examples to consider: I wait for thy salvation, O LORD. Raiders shall raid Gad, but he shall raid at their heels. Gen 49:18-19 And Moses said to the people, "Fear not, stand firm, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will work for you today; for the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall never see again. The LORD will fight for you, and you have only to be still." Ex 14:13-14 Because the LORD your God walks in the midst of your camp, to save you and to give up your enemies before you, therefore your camp must be holy, that he may not see anything indecent among you, and turn away from you. Duet 23:14 Now therefore stand still, that I (Samuel) may plead with you before the LORD concerning all the saving deeds of the LORD which he performed for you and for your fathers. 1 Sam 12:7 "Man is also chastened with pain upon his bed, and with continual strife in his bones; so that his life loathes bread, and his appetite dainty food... His soul draws near the Pit, and his life to those who bring death. If there be for him an angel, a mediator, one of the thousand, to declare to man what is right for him; and he is gracious to him, and says, "Deliver him from going down into the Pit, I have found a ransom; let his flesh become fresh with youth; let him return to the days of his youthful vigor"; then man prays to God, and he accepts him, he comes into his presence with joy. He recounts to men his salvation, and he sings before men, and says: "I sinned and perverted what was right, and it was not requited to me. He has redeemed my soul from going down into the Pit, and my life shall see the light." Job 33:19-28 And although the NT is concerned primarily with etrnal salvation we also see even there the concept of temporal salavation: And when he got into the boat, his disciples followed him. And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was being swamped by the waves; but he was asleep. And they went and woke him, saying, "Save, Lord; we are perishing." Matt 8:23-25 And when he got into the boat, his disciples followed him. And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was being swamped by the waves; but he was asleep. And they went and woke him, saying, "Save, Lord; we are perishing." Matt 27:42 "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he has visited and redeemed his people, and has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David, as he spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old, that we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all who hate us; Luke 1:68-71 And Peter answered him, "Lord, if it is you, bid me come to you on the water." He said, "Come." So Peter got out of the boat and walked on the water and came to Jesus; but when he saw the wind, he was afraid, and beginning to sink he cried out, "Lord, save me." Jesus immediately reached out his hand and caught him, saying to him, "O man of little faith, why did you doubt?" Luke 14:28-31 Man can be a temporal savior by physically saving someone even as Jesus reached out with his hand to save Peter from drowning or by feeding the starving man. And man can atone for the temporal consequence of sin such as by making restitution for theft or destruction of anothers' goods and there by removing the hardship caused and bringing reconciliation and perhaps removing the temporal consequence of his own incarceration for his sin. It is only in this tempral sense that Catholics believe in atonement. Emmaus |
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2 | why must Catholics "doubly" confess? | Bible general Archive 1 | roviear | 57085 | ||
reposted and clarified: Emmaus, but again, it seems from Teragram123's quotes (I refer to the definitions) that Catholicisms' ways of absolving sin can become quite arbitrary (in that the penance is up to the priest who may feel emotionally drained one day and assign a few rosaries whereas on another day he is refreshed and assigns 10 for the same sin). I would understand if the penance required would be to wash the walls of the church for those who graffiti'd, or buying and replanting the neighbor's flowers if they were ruined. But saying a rosary however many times? How does that help? If I as a Christian have sinned against my brother in Christ, then my brother is free to approach me directly about my sin. If I do not confess to God and am not willing to make restitution to my brother, then my brother must bring with him at least one more Christian to approach me again. If I still am not willing to confess to *God* and to my brother, then the church must get involved and make a decision to BIBLICALLY remove me from the church (Matt 18). No where that I see is anyone who is NOT God allowed to say ok, you've done the time for your crime, so even though you didn't confess to God and or to the person involved, you're free. In answer to your question about who is wrong, the teacher or the individual, it is the teacher, for teachers are held to a much stricter standard than pupils (James 3:1). If the teacher tells his students that they MUST go before a priest regardless of whether the sin has been made right with the involved parties, the teacher is forcing the student into a no-win situation. Why does Catholicism require its participants to go the extra mile when Jesus has already done so? Yet another question, where in the 66 books of the Bible is purgatory mentioned? In Christ, Estelle |
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3 | why must Catholics "doubly" confess? | Bible general Archive 1 | dasev | 57102 | ||
dear Estelle, it, purgatory is not found in the old or new t.'s. it is derived from the "apocrypha". on confession, we are in James ch. five vs. six to confess our faults to one another and to pray for one another. i think this is the partly the intention of catholic confession. but there are so many other problems. absolution, praying to "saints", on and on. those who ascribe to roman catholic doctrine in its totality really are not intellectualy honest regarding history or the Word. dasev | ||||||
4 | why must Catholics "doubly" confess? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57131 | ||
dasev, "those who ascribe to roman catholic doctrine in its totality really are not intellectualy honest regarding history or the Word." dasev Really? Maybe next time I go to confession I will confess someone else's sins following your example. Catholics are normally in the habit of confessing their own. Emmaus |
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5 | why must Catholics doubly confess (2) | Bible general Archive 1 | roviear | 57181 | ||
Emmauss, could you please respond to my original post dated 8/6/02 dtd 2.00 pm? Thank you. In Christ, Estelle |
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6 | why must Catholics doubly confess (2) | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57232 | ||
Estelle, Would you please break it down into specific simple sentence questions? You covered a lot of territory there: is it fair that an emotionally drained priest may assigns too many rosaries, what good are rosaries anyway, can one confess to a priest and be forgiven for a sin when they have not repented of the sin or confessed it to God or the other party wronged (the answer to that one, if I have phrased it correctly is; no, one cannot be forgiven without repentence or confession to God), where is purgatory in the 66 books of the bible, what about your brother going to the church when he cannot reconcile with you you after you have sinned against or wronged him? I am not being facetious. I just want be be sure that I clearly understand your questions and have them clearly stated in an orderly fashion. Do I have them listed accurately or would you like to correct my undersatnding of your questions? My questions to you would be these: Did my previous posts to which I referred you answer any of your other questions? Why should we even confess to God since He knows our every thought? I believe we must because we are commnaded to by God in scripture, but would like to know your explanation of why you think God tells us we must other than for His glory. How do you interpret James 5:14-15 in light of these other passages: John 20:21-23Mark 6:13; Matt 16:18-19; Matt 9:1-8; 2 Cor 2:10-11; Acts 19:18; Matt 3:6;Luke 10:9,16;Hebrews 12:12-13; 1 Cor 9:27; 2 Cor 2:5-10? Emmaus |
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