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1 | deeds of the law | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 56988 | ||
Estelle, "Unlike BC, today we do not 'atone' for sin because it is impossible to pay the price for it (although Catholicism believes otherwise). Jesus' blood washes us clean as we pray for God's forgiveness of both known and unknown sin in our lives. As we continue to seek truth, we should ask the Holy Spirit to reveal our sins to us so that we can confess them specifically and turn from them with the help of God (see John 3:21)." Actually Catholics do not believe otherwise. Catholics believe the atoning blood of Christ and only the blood of Christ washes us clean and achieves for us eternal salvation. This is the primary subject matter of the New Testament. There is a distinction,however, between eternal and temporal atonement and salvation. The Old Testament deals in essence with temporal salvation and atonement. The Old Testament rarely if ever in unabiguous terms refers to eternal salvation and atonement. Usually it refers to temporal salvation, such as deliverance from slavery in Egypt or physical death or the various other enemies of Israel or from plagues that Israel may or may not have brought upon itself by sin. It is mainly the temporal consequence of sin we see addressed in the Old Testament when sin is addressed. A few examples from among hundreds of examples to consider: I wait for thy salvation, O LORD. Raiders shall raid Gad, but he shall raid at their heels. Gen 49:18-19 And Moses said to the people, "Fear not, stand firm, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will work for you today; for the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall never see again. The LORD will fight for you, and you have only to be still." Ex 14:13-14 Because the LORD your God walks in the midst of your camp, to save you and to give up your enemies before you, therefore your camp must be holy, that he may not see anything indecent among you, and turn away from you. Duet 23:14 Now therefore stand still, that I (Samuel) may plead with you before the LORD concerning all the saving deeds of the LORD which he performed for you and for your fathers. 1 Sam 12:7 "Man is also chastened with pain upon his bed, and with continual strife in his bones; so that his life loathes bread, and his appetite dainty food... His soul draws near the Pit, and his life to those who bring death. If there be for him an angel, a mediator, one of the thousand, to declare to man what is right for him; and he is gracious to him, and says, "Deliver him from going down into the Pit, I have found a ransom; let his flesh become fresh with youth; let him return to the days of his youthful vigor"; then man prays to God, and he accepts him, he comes into his presence with joy. He recounts to men his salvation, and he sings before men, and says: "I sinned and perverted what was right, and it was not requited to me. He has redeemed my soul from going down into the Pit, and my life shall see the light." Job 33:19-28 And although the NT is concerned primarily with etrnal salvation we also see even there the concept of temporal salavation: And when he got into the boat, his disciples followed him. And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was being swamped by the waves; but he was asleep. And they went and woke him, saying, "Save, Lord; we are perishing." Matt 8:23-25 And when he got into the boat, his disciples followed him. And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was being swamped by the waves; but he was asleep. And they went and woke him, saying, "Save, Lord; we are perishing." Matt 27:42 "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he has visited and redeemed his people, and has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David, as he spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old, that we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all who hate us; Luke 1:68-71 And Peter answered him, "Lord, if it is you, bid me come to you on the water." He said, "Come." So Peter got out of the boat and walked on the water and came to Jesus; but when he saw the wind, he was afraid, and beginning to sink he cried out, "Lord, save me." Jesus immediately reached out his hand and caught him, saying to him, "O man of little faith, why did you doubt?" Luke 14:28-31 Man can be a temporal savior by physically saving someone even as Jesus reached out with his hand to save Peter from drowning or by feeding the starving man. And man can atone for the temporal consequence of sin such as by making restitution for theft or destruction of anothers' goods and there by removing the hardship caused and bringing reconciliation and perhaps removing the temporal consequence of his own incarceration for his sin. It is only in this tempral sense that Catholics believe in atonement. Emmaus |
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2 | why is it ok for Catholic priests to... | Bible general Archive 1 | roviear | 57059 | ||
Emmaus, I am very confused about certain aspects of Catholicism. I ask that you please remember that I am not familiar with the faith and do not mean to offend by my words. I simply want to understand the differences. In response, I agree that one must pay for the wrongs he did. However, I see a distinction between salvation and punishment, which you seem to imply are the same (correct me if I am wrong). Yes, we all, if possible must atone, or make restitution, for our sins. This is what I call punishment, not salvation. Nor was I speaking about being rescued (saved) from circumstances in one's life. I was referring to the forgiveness of sins. BC, the blood of Christ was represented by the blood of sacrificial animals. Therefore many of the "rituals" for lack of better word are no longer necessary for forgiveness of sin. In Catholicism, I see man forgiving man's sins and God is seemingly cut out of the picture. I don't understand why a priest is able to absolve a person's sin by telling him to say the rosary a number of times, or pay a penance fee to the church. It clearly says in the Bible that only God forgives sins. Why then is it necessary for a practicing Catholic to attend confession if he has made himself right before God and those he offended? I would better understand the necessity if the person made a public confession, but anything said to the priest in the booth is confidential. So what is the point? How is saying the rosary an atonement for a lie made to someone else? Another few questions, why is a priest not required to provide testimony to murder if the priest knows who did it? Where in the Bible (please do not include the Apocrypha) does it say that a person does not need to bear testimony against those who have done wrong against the laws of the land? Wouldn't the priest not become an accomplice? And how does he know to weigh the sin of the murderer or thief against the pain experienced by the injured party or party's family? In Christ, Estelle |
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3 | why is it ok for Catholic priests to... | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57126 | ||
Estelle, It was not my intention to stir up such a hornets' nest nor to start a catechism class on Catholic sacraments. I merely wished to correct a misrepresentation of Catholic belief. I do not assume any ill will on your part in making the comment. I presume you are misinformed. A review of my postings will show that I have already addressed a number of these subjects at the request of others, not on my own initiative. In reference to your questions on Confession please go to the search function on the right hand of the screen and type in ID# 38541 and click on SEARCH. When you get to that thread go down until you get to my post dated 3-12-02, 6:37 pm. I covered this ground with Ed at that time in a series of posts. Emmaus |
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