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1 | Pre-Wrath Rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | Parousia | 56003 | ||
Do any of you support the Pre-Wrath Rapture position promoted by Marvin Rosenthal and the late Robert Van Kampen? Do you know of any web pages besides The Sign Ministries that are pro-Pre- Wrath? |
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2 | Pre-Wrath Rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 56018 | ||
For the benefit of readers who may not be familiar with the terms 'Pretribulationalism' or 'Prewrath position', I here present definitions of both terms. Pretribulationalism "This view was first known as "the secret" or "any moment rapture." It is a relatively new position which was first taught by the founder of the Catholic Apostolic Church, Edward Irving in the late 1820's. It was then picked up by Plymouth Brethren pastor John Nelson Darby, and he first preached on it in 1843. It came to America in the late 1800's . . . Pretribulationists teach that the return of Christ has been imminent since the days of the early church and that the church will be raptured sometime before the seventieth week begins. Although they have no Scripture that in so many words teaches it, they teach that there are no signs and the rapture could take place at any moment. The seventieth week of Daniel is therefore considered to be a seven-year period of God's judgmental "tribulation" (hence the term pretribulation). This position generally views the seventieth week as the day of the Lord's wrath from which the church is excluded." Prewrath "The Prewrath position teaches that the true church will be raptured when the great tribulation by Antichrist, inspired by Satan, is cut short by God's day-of-the-Lord wrath, which will occur between the sixth and seventh seals of Revelation, sometime during the second half of the seventieth week. The persecution associated with the great tribulation of Antichrist is viewed as the wrath of Satan, whereas the events that follow, beginning with the seventh seal, are considered the wrath of God. There is another term that is sometimes expressed, "historical premillennialism," which refers back to the teaching of the early church fathers before 325 A.D. who believed that the church would face the persecution of Antichrist and Christ would then reign for 1000 years upon the earth. With the exception of two, Origen and Clement of Alexandria, who were allegorist, they all taught this view. Prewrath is plainly and simply an expansion of this view which was biblical then and biblical now." (www.signministries.org/positions.htm) |
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3 | Pre-Wrath Rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | justme | 56041 | ||
Hi Kalos: I have found that a book called The meaning MILLENNIUM: Four Views Edited by Robert G. Clouse Published by IVP to be an excellent book to get the actual schollars view. Each give their view point and each author gets give their view. Then the other's point to say what they don't agree with. All four views are presented. Top notch book, a must read book. For myself, I have vasalated from time to time on how I understand the views. Dr. J. Dwight Pentecost's book THINGS TO COME by Zondervan is pretty much where I stand right now. The real point is to be prepared, be faithful, be fruitfull. The rest will come as the LORD has planned. Regardless of how well man may think he has it figuared out, don't bet the farm on mans view. I am ready! Beam me up LORD! agape, justme |
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4 | Pre-Wrath Rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 56076 | ||
justme: Thank you for the book recommendation. One thing, I think, we all agree on is the Rapture itself - that it is real and will take place. The major area of disagreement seems to be the timing of the Rapture. Yet you and I would agree on the fact of the Rapture, would we not? Though I am thoroughly persuaded that the Prewrath Rapture position is correct, this is not something I try to force on others. In general, how we interperet eschatology need not divide the body of Christ. And I agree with David Jeremiah, who says, regarding the Second Coming, "It's time to get off the program committee and get on the welcoming committee." Grace to you, kalos |
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5 | Pre-Wrath Rapture? | Bible general Archive 1 | justme | 56147 | ||
Kalos: There is a unrealistic over abundantance of believers that are so adament there way is the only way to understand the end times. Some will make such a strong eschatological statement, that to believe anything but their view is like being a part of the antichrist. Without agreeing to their view, as if it were an article of faith statenent, you are no longer a part of the Body of Christ. For me, that is unthinkable, and ignorance at it's extreme. I have said before "be prepared" the Boy Scout moto is very well suited for Christians. I think if as much attention to studing 1 Cor. chapter 13 would be even 10 percent of what the study of end times is, the world would change in a very short time. Kalos, it is much easier to plan something than to work and make it become reality. The welcoming commitee takes comitment and work. Oh no, I said te "W" word. agape, justme |
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