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1 | Who wrote the most Books In the Bible | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 48711 | ||
Greetings Jaknik! Clearly God wrote through people, but Scripture is also described as "God-breathed". So, it is much more than just a human work. It is God's self-revelation to man. Further, the Bible was written to more than just the Jewish nation. The bulk of the New Testament was not addressed to Jewish cities or congregations, but gentile. Paul was fully aware of the "rest" of the world since he established churchs throughout most of the known world. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Who wrote the most Books In the Bible | Bible general Archive 1 | Jaknik | 48735 | ||
The New Testament breakdown: Four Gospels, Mark, Matthew, Luke, John describe the world of Jesus and his mission. What was his "mission"? Mainly to present his message (Good News) to the Jewish people. Inclusion of the "gentiles" was not in the master plan until Paul got involved. 30 to 60 years after Jesus's death, the writers had hindsight and used it to explain how the Good News began to include the gentiles. But again, this did not come about until Paul became involved and when, for the most part, the Jews refused to go along with the "changes" that Paul was trying to institute. Then, the largest part of the New Testament, is letters attributed to Paul, trying to explain, trying to convince and guide the gentiles into this changing Jewish based religion. There is nothing "God-breathed" about Paul's letters. Quite the contrary. Those letters are indicative of a enthused man, literally making "policy" up as he goes along. "No stomachs..." is a good example of Paul simply "blurting out" ideas that bear no support from anywhere else but from him.... |
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3 | Who wrote the most Books In the Bible | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 48748 | ||
Greetings Jaknik! Two points if I may! 1) Concerning the inclusion of the Gentiles: If you read Rom. 9-11, you will see demonstrated from the Old Testament how that it was always God intention to include the Gentiles. 2) Concerning Paul's letters: 2 Tim. 3:16 says that all scripture is God-breathed. 2 Pet. 3:15-16 includes Paul's letters along with the "other Scriptures". So, clearly, the understanding of the early church was that Paul's letters were God-breathed and Scripture. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Who wrote the most Books In the Bible | Bible general Archive 1 | Jaknik | 48752 | ||
Remember that it is "Paul" who declares himself the "direct messenger" and spokesman for God and Jesus. Over and over, he states this, pounds this home to all in most of his letters. So, to suggest that anything/everything that Paul says in his letters, is "God-breathed" has no support or relevance, except to the one who wants to, without foundations other than just Paul saying so, accept the notion anyway. And that's where it must lie: if a person wants to accept the word of Paul based upon solely that Paul is the direct link between us and God, simply because Paul says it's true, then so be it. But Paul made a lot of strange, even "loose cannon" statements. Peter even comments on that.... | ||||||
5 | Who wrote the most Books In the Bible | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 48756 | ||
Greetings Jaknik! So then, your previous statement: "There is nothing "God-breathed" about Paul's letters" was simply a statement of opinion, not fact! However, the early church clearly felt otherwise. Clement writes in his first Epistle to the Corinthians (Chap. 47): "Take up the epistle of the blessed Apostle Paul. What did he write to you at the time when the Gospel first began to be preached?(2) Truly, under the inspiration(3) of the Spirit, he wrote to you concerning himself, and Cephas, and Apollos,(4) because even then parties(5) had been formed among you." Ignatius wrote in his Epistle to the Ephesians: "Ye are initiated into the mysteries of the Gospel with Paul, the holy, the martyred, inasmuch as he was "a chosen vessel;"(3) at whose feet may I be found, and at the feet of the rest of the saints, when I shall attain to Jesus Christ, who is always mindful of you in His prayers." and "Let Christ speak in us, even as He did in Paul." You are correct that one must chose to accept or reject what Paul said about himself, what Scripure said about him, and what the early church said about him. But, you would have an impossible task to prove from Scripture or history that Paul was considered a loose cannon by anyone in the early church. Peter never said that Paul was a loose cannon. He simply said that some of Paul's statements were difficult to understand and that some people distorte his statements. But, he called them Scripture! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Who wrote the most Books In the Bible | Bible general Archive 1 | Jaknik | 48761 | ||
Surely you're not suggesting that "God-breathed" is "fact". If so, then what happens to "faith"? And of course, it's "...my opinion..." Most anything one says is considered his "opinion..." |
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7 | Who wrote the most Books In the Bible | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 48763 | ||
Greetings Jaknik! Yes, I do believe that Scripture is actually God-breathed. 2 Tim. 3:16 and 2 Pet. 1:21 both describe Scripture as being a product of more than just human will. This is also consistent with what Judaism believed about the Old Testament as well. Scripture is ultimately 'thus saith the Lord'. There is no logical reason not to accept this belief! p.s. - I hope my comment about opinion wasn't taken in the wrong way! I wasn't trying to be rude, just percise! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | Who wrote the most Books In the Bible | Bible general Archive 1 | Jaknik | 48767 | ||
My question was: "...do you believe that the Bible (letters from Paul) were 'God-breathed' is fact..." Your answer was that you "believe" it to be true. Okay, but "believing" and "having faith" that it's "God-breathed" does not mean it is fact. You have the inclination and right to "believe" for whatever your reasons, as long as "fact" is not part of the parcel. Again, if it were all "facts", there would be no need at all for "faith." (...and I haven't taken anything "...the wrong way..." Never would...) |
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