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1 | Meaning of Spirit filled | Bible general Archive 1 | tomn | 38225 | ||
Theo, a Spirit-filled person will not think of using the word 'crappy' in this culture because of how unnessarally offensive it is,I believe. Do you care? Were you honest about the 4 questions asked before your post is accepted? Have you ever changed your mind about what you believe because of what someone showed you? If so you will have a good answer to eph4:30 and 1thess. 5:19 about grieving and quenching the Spirit showing degrees of Spirit fullness. | ||||||
2 | Meaning of Spirit filled | Bible general Archive 1 | Theopnuestos | 39942 | ||
I have an article which I believe is recommended reading for everybody titled "Guidelines for Godly Dispute." I also recommend B.B. Warfield's "The Dogmatic Spirit." After several character assaults you proceed with your premise which you claim supports your conclusion that there are varying levels of the "Spirit" which one can have. Just a little argumentum ad hominem to start your post, eh? You seem to know the contents of Eph. 4:30 - Did you read 4:29, 4:31-33 also? Just in case you missed them, here they are: "29 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. 30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. 32 Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you." Reading Eph. 4:30 "Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." what I hear is stop doing those things Paul just mentioned. There is no information at all in this text that tells me anything about "spirit-filled"-ness or any degrees of "spirituality." 1 Thes. 5:19 simply tells me not to quench the Spirit. In what way am I not to quench the Spirit, what is quenching the Spirit? I find Matthew Henry's comments on Eph. 4:30 to be helpful with understanding this text - "In the midst of these exhortations and cautions the apostle interposes that general one, And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, v. 30. By looking to what precedes, and to what follows, we may see what it is that grieves the Spirit of God. In the previous verses it is intimated that all lewdness and filthiness, lying, and corrupt communications that stir up filthy appetites and lusts, grieve the Spirit of God. In what follows it is intimated that those corrupt passions of bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, and malice, grieve this good Spirit. By this we are not to understand that this blessed Being could properly be grieved or vexed as we are; but the design of the exhortation is that we act not towards him in such a manner as is wont to be grievous and disquieting to our fellow-creatures: we must not do that which is contrary to his holy nature and his will; we must not refuse to hearken to his counsels, nor rebel against his government, which things would provoke him to act towards us as men are wont to do towards those with whom they are displeased and grieved, withdrawing themselves and their wonted kindness from such, and abandoning them to their enemies." The quenching of the Spirit refers to suppressing the conviction, instruction and correction of the Spirit. Do not sear your conscience - do not disregard or ignore the feelings of guilt you have over your sins. The inference of the "Spirit-filled" philosophy is that the "power" available to us waxes or wanes in proportion to our "spirituality." This thought cannot be obtained from the TEXT of Sacred Scripture. If you want that RTF document, "Guidelines for Godly Dispute," let me know by sending an email to theopnuestos@hotmail.com. I apologize for the use of the word "crappy." It is just one of those words which don't "ping on my radar", but I can see how others may be offended by it. Let's replace "crappy" with "unsupported conclusions." I read all 4 and can honestly say YES! Regards, Matt. |
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3 | Meaning of Spirit filled | Bible general Archive 1 | tomn | 39990 | ||
theo,what most offended me was not the word but you thinking yourself better then others who are offended by the word. However, I do thank you for the recanting. Your answer to my other question seems to be you find it hard to change or that you believe Spirit fullness is a black or white deal. So that either you are an unbeliever with the Spirit totally quenched or you have mountain moving faith because the Spirit is totally free in you. Which I don't accept and so hope you can see why its not a good answer. |
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4 | Meaning of Spirit filled | Bible general Archive 1 | Theopnuestos | 40182 | ||
How you were able to make a comprehensive psychological profile and motive evaluation from my post is amazing. From my post you discerned that "I think myself better than others." How did you come to that conclusion? What evidences did you observe that left you with no other rational choice but to label me as one "Who thinks himself better than others?" To say it is not a good answer is one thing. Why is it not a good answer? Was not the textual interpretation correct? I do not see why you do not accept it other than you thinking it is not a good answer. "Your answer to my other question seems to be you find it hard to change or that you believe Spirit fullness is a black or white deal." I am still waiting for evidence which results in that conclusion. The texts you originally listed do not support your conclusions. "Your answer to my other question seems to be you find it hard to change..." Yes, I do find it hard to change from a rational understanding to an unfounded one. This thread is going no where. "you have mountain moving faith because the Spirit is totally free in you" I choose the latter - because, regardless of what you or I think the Spirit is totally free to do what He designs. God is primarily concerned about His own happiness, so He will remain free - because He totally is! What you or I think about it is irrelevant - the Spirit is free! The Spirit also possesses mountain moving faith - I possess that which He has ordained for me to possess at any one time. Whether that be mountain moving faith or whatever - it all comes from Him. The truth is, I possessed no faith - and now I do. That's that. "hope you can see why its not a good answer" Don't see it, sorry. Can't - no evidences provided to support your claims. To expect me to accept your position without any rational explaination is unfair - how am I able to make any decision with such a lack of proof? Regards, Matt. |
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5 | Meaning of Spirit filled | Bible general Archive 1 | tomn | 40438 | ||
I agree we are going no where I want to go. So I do pray God gives you the Grace to want His truth more then the thrill of beating someone into submission of letting you believe what is wrong by being willing to say whatever is needed to do so, without caring whither or not what you say is true. | ||||||
6 | Meaning of Spirit filled | Bible general Archive 1 | Theopnuestos | 40461 | ||
"want His truth more then the thrill of beating someone into submission of letting you believe what is wrong by being willing to say whatever is needed to do so, without caring whither or not what you say is true." There are some very serious accusations here which you make without any knowledge as to the truth of them. "Beating someone into submission" is not my purpose here, and I do care about what I am saying as to its truthfulness. Does "thou shalt not bear false witness" mean anything to you? This commandment sets forth the vital importance of truth. Yet accusations are made without any demonstratable knowledge as to whether they are truthful or not. Secondly, since this is a personal attack, I guess you didn't read the four questions at the bottom this time! Have a nice day - I will not be replying to this thread anymore. You seem convinced that any action is warranted in defense of your views. You seem satisfied that you are justified to levy false accustaions, accusing someone of lying by design, et. al. The point I made I supported with careful textual fidelity. Needless to say, I will not be falsely accused in public without accountability. You have levied a charge of deceitfulness by design in order to support my point. I charge you to present your evidence. If you cannot present objective, valid evidence, I expect an apology. Have a nice life and repent. Matt. |
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7 | Meaning of Spirit filled | Bible general Archive 1 | tomn | 40571 | ||
MDD344, all the evidence I need is your own words to show how confused you appear and who you are really. Such as "careful textual fideity",which produces ideas like 1 plus 2 equaling 4, does not come from knowing God's Love and Grace to you to show you true textual fidelity. For then you will know that expecting evidence or an apology when you say you will not reply, makes less sense then His senseless Love for us. | ||||||