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1 | The Structure of the Revelation | Rev 1:19 | kalos | 150655 | ||
The Structure of the Revelation 'Scholars are generally agreed that Revelation 1:19 offers a temporal outline of the book of Revelation. John indicates that he received instructions from the Lord to "Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall take place after these things." This framework offers the following structural depiction of the book. 'The first chapter of Revelation is "the things you have seen." Revelation two and three cover "the things which are"; and Revelation four through twenty-one are "the things which shall take place after these things." 'The disproportionate attention given to the "things which shall take place after these things (Revelation 4-21)," suggests that the temporal outline of the book is not the key to its structure. This is particularly true given that the seven churches receive promises that are both first century and futuristic in nature. In other words, there is an overlap of "the things which are" and "things which shall take place after these things." This undermines any attempt to force a strict interpretation of Revelation 1:19 as the dogmatic outline of the book of Revelation.' ____________________ www.revelationcommentary.org/structure.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * revelationcommentary.org www.solagroup.org In addition to commentary on the entire book of Revelation, this site includes a glossary of terms related to the biblical end times, plus answers to common questions about the false prophet and second coming. |
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2 | The Structure of the Revelation | Rev 1:19 | mark d seyler | 150673 | ||
You wrote "The first chapter of Revelation is "the things you have seen." Revelation two and three cover "the things which are"; and Revelation four through twenty-one are "the things which shall take place after these things." The disproportionate attention given to the "things which shall take place after these things (Revelation 4-21)," suggests that the temporal outline of the book is not the key to its structure. This is particularly true given that the seven churches receive promises that are both first century and futuristic in nature. In other words, there is an overlap of "the things which are" and "things which shall take place after these things." This undermines any attempt to force a strict interpretation of Revelation 1:19 as the dogmatic outline of the book of Revelation.” I may describe my day, in saying, “I got out of bed, showered, and made lunch. Now I am driving to work. When I get there, I will check my email, write orders, make phone calls, write letters, have meetings, go to lunch, etc.” I have included much more detail about what comes after I arrive at work, however, this is no wise affects the chronology of what I am saying. Simply because a portion of scripture contains more information than another portion in no wise gives us a reason to ignore the chronological indicators given plainly in the text. The Outline of the Book of the Revelation in 1:19: “Write what things you saw, and what things are, and what things are about to occur after these things (meta tauta).” This describes sequential narrative, one thing being before another. Rev 4:1 “After these things (meta tauta) I saw. And behold, a door being opened in Heaven! And I heard the first voice as a trumpet speaking with me, saying, Come up here, and I will show you what needs to happen after these things (meta tauta).” To simplify what John is saying about his visions, “After these things I saw what must happen after these things” Again, he is describing a sequential narrative. To view this outline in any other way ignores the plain, simple meaning of this text. The first words in Rev. 7:1 are “meta tauta”, or “after these things”. John describes the sealing of the 144,000 and the innumerable multitude appearing in heaven. In chapter 8, the seventh seal is opened, and seven angels are given trumpets, and begin to sound them. Seals, Trumpets, and Bowl happen in order. Any interpretation that overlaps or rearranges these is not supported by the text. The promises given to the church in these letters are in fact contemporary and futuristic, however that does not in and of itself mean that there is an overlap between the “things which are” (i.e. the things of the church), and that which happens after (i.e. after the things of the church). Promises given to the true church in the seven letters are pertaining to its earthly existance, until the time of the 70th week, and to its heavenly existance, but not to any time period involving the 70th week. “Jezebel” and her adulterers will be cast into “great tribulation”; this is not the true church. Loadicea will be “spat out”; this is not the true church. Philedelphia will be “kept from” the hour of testing which is coming to “try them that dwell upon the earth”; this is the true church. If you keep the children from the test period at school, do you: A) Send them into the room, and not let anyone near them with a test? Or B) Not send them into the room? What is the plain, simple, and true meaning of these verses? 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. |
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3 | The Structure of the Revelation | Rev 1:19 | Morant61 | 150674 | ||
Greetings Mark! The phrase 'after these things' could simply describe the order of the visions, and not necessarily indicate the order of future events. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | The Structure of the Revelation | Rev 1:19 | mark d seyler | 150675 | ||
Hi Tim, The things which you have seen - this would be John's first vision, correct? The things which are - this does not refer to a vision, but rather to what is happening contemporary to John. The things which will take place after these things - the phrase in question: We're looking at this in one of two ways, either "write the things which will take place after these visions" or "write the things which will take place after these things that are now". Four times "things" appears in this sentence. The first three, I think we agree, refer to the contents of the visions. Do we have any reason to think that the fourth does not as well? If we take the plainest, simplest meaning, for lack of any reason to think otherwise, then we must see this as a progression of events. So I would say, yes, it could describe the order of the vision, but I don't see any reason why it would. And when combined with vs. such as 4:1 and 7:1, this conclusion seems inescapable. I find texual cues throughout this book indicating a linear flow of events. Do you see any that show overlapping or rearranging of events? Love in Christ, Mark |
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