Results 1 - 6 of 6
|
|
|||||
Results from: Answered Bible Questions, Answers, Unanswered Bible Questions, Notes Ordered by Verse | ||||||
Results | Verse | Author | ID# | |||
1 | If persons then identify. | Rev 17:10 | kalos | 181831 | ||
Brian, Thank you for your reply. I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. If you mean what are the names of the kings, my answer is I don't know and I'm not interested in knowing. Grace and peace, John |
||||||
2 | How do you come to your conclusion of pe | Rev 17:10 | Brian#9 | 181859 | ||
Hello Kalos, My question is that if you believe the kings in Rev. 17:10 are people, how do you come to that conclusion? And with that information I see no reason why six of the kings could not be identified. Where as Seiss brings forth many points to uphold his position that the kings are world powers and could not be persons. As he has identified the six in the verse, then the seventh should be the one world government of the end times. As Seiss (Seiss Apocalypse ) pointed out the six world powers (Rome in John's day, Greece, Persia, Babylon, Assyria, and Egypt ), have all carried the idolatrous Harlot Woman, and so will the seventh. This position of the kings being world powers also harmonizes Daniel's visions and John's visions. Understandable due to the fact that both have the same Source. Trying to fully understand all the verses of the Bible is trying to understand the Mind of Christ. As much as this pea-brain human can understand, and yes I want to know. Still searching the Mind of Christ, Brian |
||||||
3 | How do you come to your conclusion of pe | Rev 17:10 | mark d seyler | 181862 | ||
Hi Brian, I am the same as you in that I also wish to know and understand all that can be known and understood about the Bible. While I think that it is possible John was speaking in the same manner as Daniel in personifying kingdoms, the fact remains that while Daniel was using symbolic language that could be applied however the originator of the symbol (God) intended, and then explained these symbols using words of both individuals and corporate groups (kings and kingdoms), John used plain language identifying kings, without additional explanation that these kings were actually kingdoms. I would need to see the textual basis for interpreting "kings" as "kingdoms" before becoming dogmatic about it. The fact that someone can put together a list of empires that seems to fit the bill does not carry the same weight as Inspired Scripture, nor does another's inability to compile such a list of persons. If it's kingdoms, it kingdoms, no matter whether or not someone can, correctly or incorrectly, name 7 kingdoms, and by the same token, if its kings, its kings, regardless of someone's ability or inability to name them. Not to mention, each of those empires Seiss names had a ruler who displayed particular characteristics that could qualify them for this dubious honor. Nero, Antiochus IV Epiphanes, Hamon (by virtue of the signet), Pharoah at the time of the exodus, Nimrod (I'm not as familiar with the Assyrian rulers, although given their extreme brutality, I'm certain it came from somewhere!) One that was not yet at John's time, that would continue for a short time may have been Hitler. These rulers displayed insane animosity towards the people of God, as well as extreme pride, again to the point of insanity. Personally, I think these 7, and the eighth, are specific rulers with a particular agenda against God's people. Love in Christ, Mark |
||||||
4 | How do you come to your conclusion of pe | Rev 17:10 | Brian#9 | 181908 | ||
Hello Sir; It has been awhile,may this year that is one closer to our Lord's return be a blessed one for you and yours. Do you have a copy of Seiss's Apocalypse of Jesus Christ? It is interesting reading. I am aware that others have different views. I just would like to read their sources for their opinions too. I would find it hard to elevate Hitler to the level of Nimrod or any of the others. Do you have any resources on Rev. 17:9-11? I am still studying, no opinion yet. In His Hand, Brian |
||||||
5 | How do you come to your conclusion of pe | Rev 17:10 | mark d seyler | 182024 | ||
Hi Brian, I do not have a copy of Seiss, although I am familiar with the teaching of empires. I would be interested in knowing what Bible passages he cites to support this teaching that these are kingdoms and not kings themselves. I do not know who these kings or kingdoms, if that is correct, are. I have read a number of commentators, and heard many teachers on the subject, although there isn't one who stands out in my mind as having a special insight on this. For me, there just doesn't seem to be any additional information in the Bible that directs us to read "kings" as "kingdoms", therefore, I think John wrote of specific rulers, and I only have my guess of who they were. The final one should be clear for those who will be here to see him. Sorry I couldn't help more than this. Love in Christ, Mark |
||||||
6 | How do you come to your conclusion of pe | Rev 17:10 | Brian#9 | 182072 | ||
Evening Sir, I am still in the middle of this :-) :-) :-). What started me on this was the wording of Rev. 17:11, " even he is the eighth, and is of the seven," as well as Rev. 17:18. Still looking for resources. Yes you are correct that the final one should be clear to those who will be here to see him, But they will not see him as you or I would have ( 2 Thessalonians 2::8-12 ). Please check your e-mail sir. In His Hand, Brian |
||||||