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1 | Ignoring a Decision to Capitalize | Rev 14:16 | Ray | 149458 | ||
Hi Kalos, You have written that "the oldest Greek manuscripts were all upper case." I don't know if that is true or not, but I find it interesting and confusing that the writer finds FAULT with a capitalized "He" when it has been stated that they are all capitalized in the oldest Greek manuscripts. 1) The writer says that we should ignore the interpretive decision made by the translators of the NASB. The writer would then have to find greater fault with the NKJ for they make even greater interpretations for a "Divine Being." Revelations 14:14, NASB, "And I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sititng on the cloud was one like a son of man, having a golden crown on His head, and a sharp sickle in His hand." Revelation 14:14, NKJ, "Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle." I would go with the NKJ for the verse, capitalizing "One" and the "Son of Man"; for then the capitalization would agree with the capitalized "His head" and "His" hand. 2) Now, the capitalization of "Your" sickle for Revelation 14:15 is another difference in interpretation. The NASB has "your sickle" and the NKJ has "Your sickle". I would go with the NKJ and "Your" sickle. However, we need to look also at the difference in translations and manuscripts used for the latter part of Revelation 14:15. The NU and M texts omit "for You". NKJ, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap..." and the NASB, "Put in your sickle and reap, because the hour to reap has come, because the harvest of the earth is ripe." 3) I would go with two capitalized pronouns for verse 15; going with "Put in Your sickle" but ommitting the "for (y)You" to reap. Thus, allowing for the angels to be participants in the reaping after the One who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle. From the heart, Ray |
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2 | Ignoring a Decision to Capitalize | Rev 14:16 | kalos | 149496 | ||
Ray: You write to me: 'You have written that "the oldest Greek manuscripts were all upper case."' [Actually, I, Kalos, did not write it -- I quoted it.] You continue: 'I don't know if that is true or not...'. [Ray, although I am not infallible (never claimed to be), I am not in the habit of posting things that are not true.] You then write: 'but I find it interesting and confusing that the writer finds FAULT with a capitalized "He" when it has been stated that they are all capitalized in the oldest Greek manuscripts.' Since the words in the oldest Greek manuscripts were written in all caps (upper case), then there is nothing to differentiate between caps AND lower case. The Greek manuscripts do not contain caps AND lower case. Therefore, there is nothing in the Greek that is equivalent to capital letters as we today use capital letters at the beginning of certain words. If a person is confused about this, then perhaps they should second guess their own decision to go around second guessing the decisions of real Greek scholars and Bible translators. Grace to you, Kalos |
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3 | Ignoring a Decision to Capitalize | Rev 14:16 | Ray | 149499 | ||
Hi Kalos, Whether you wrote it or the person you quoted wrote it, I still don't know if the statement is true. I am not all-knowing (never claimed to be); I am not in the habit of posting that something is false if I don't know that. But what I have heard here on the forum in the past is that the Hebrew was all caps and the Greek was all lower case. We need some verification on that point. There was some confusion on your quote because the quotation mark that you used started at 'Revelation 14:16...' 1) The real Greek scholars and Bible translators of the NASB and the NKJ have the Son of Man capitalized or allowed in their marginal note. I believe that your quoted author is doing some second guessing of his own. And I do not find fault with that; I just don't agree with him. From the heart, Ray |
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4 | Ignoring a Decision to Capitalize | Rev 14:16 | Morant61 | 149507 | ||
Greetings Ray! The oldest Greek manuscripts were written in all capitals called 'uncials'. Then, about the beginning of the 9th century, scholars began to use an all lower case style of writing called 'minuscule'. As for Hebrew, there are no lower case letters in Hebrew. They are all capitals. I hope this helps! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Ignoring a Decision to Capitalize | Rev 14:16 | Ray | 149517 | ||
Hi Tim, Thank you for that information. I hope that helps to keep peace between Kalos and me, (or should that be I?) even though it won't help in regard to capitalization choices. From the heart, Ray |
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