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1 | The Timeline of the Two Witnesses | Rev 11:7 | mark d seyler | 165845 | ||
A Basic Timetable In Revelation 11 we are told of two witnesses who prophecy for 1260 days. During this time, fire comes from their mouths to devour anyone who would try to hurt them. They can send any plague on the earth anytime they want. When they have finished their testimony, the beast from the bottomless pit (that which Mystery Babylon rides, with 10 horns which are 10 kings – Rev. 17:8, 12) will kill them. They will lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days, then come back to life and ascend into heaven. In the same hour is a great earthquake, and following this, we are told that the second woe is past, and the third comes quickly. In Rev. 8:13, following the sounding of the fourth trumpet, we are told of an angel declaring 3 woes of the 3 remaining trumpets, which will sound. The first key here is that they prophesy until their testimony is done, and then they are overcome (Rev. 11:7). According to Daniel 7:21-22, the beast, whose 10 horns are 10 kings, prevails over the saints until the Ancient of Days comes, and the kingdom is given to the saints. The duration that the beast overcomes the saints is 3 1/2 years (Dan 7:25, Rev. 13:3-5). Jesus returns to earth to establish His rule, which the saints will share, at the end of the 70th week (Dan. 9:24-27, Rev. 20:4). If the beast overcomes the saints (Greek Hagios, or holy ones – those set apart for God’s use. This would include the two witnesses) for 3 1/2 years ending at the Second Coming, and the two witnesses prophesy for 3 1/2 years until the beast overcomes them, then they must be prophesying during the first 3 1/2 years. Does it make any sense that when the beast is given power to overcome the saints, at the mid-point of the Seventieth Week, these two will withstand him, resisting him with their own works of power? If they are killed at the end of the second half of the Seventieth week, are they lying dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days after Jesus returns? You cannot say that certain saints will only be able to be overcome 3.5 years after the beast has been given to overcome “the saints”, i.e. all the saints. The two witnesses fulfill their mission during the first half, along with the 144,000. Then they are killed, the 144,000 translated to heaven, and angels take over the proclaiming of God’s message. This leads us to our second conclusion: The second key is in the second woe, the sounding of the sixth trumpet (loosing 4 angels bound at the Euphrates to kill 1/3 of mankind, and 200,000,000 ‘horsemen’ with power to kill). In Rev. 9:11, following the fifth trumpet (a five month plague of demonic ‘locusts’), we are told that the first woe is past, and two more are coming. In Revelation 11:14, “the second woe is past, and the third comes quickly”. These judgments are happening sequentially, one finishing before the next begins. If the second woe is passed 3 1/2 days after the middle of the Tribulation, the first woe, or the fifth trumpet, begins 5 months or more before the midpoint. Therefore, the seals are opened and trumpets sounded, at least through the fifth, and possibly the sixth, before the middle of the Tribulation. The seals are opened with sudden destruction as God removes the Church, and the Seventieth Week begins, as the world makes a deal with the Devil. God maintains a human witness, as a series of judgments, the Wrath of God, begin, affecting 1/3 portions of the the earth, water, and sky. 3 1/2 years later, the world worships the devil. The human witness is gone, and the angelic witness begins. A new series of judgments, the filling up of God’s wrath, begins, affecting the entire earth, water, and sky. This is timeline of the Seventieth week does not distort facts, does not re-arrange events that have been written sequentially, and accomodates all scriptures written of the end times time of judgment. If in fact the pre-wrath rapture were correct, and Jesus raptures the church following "the wrath of Satan" (this phrase comes from Rev. 12:17, as Satan, having great wrath, makes war with the remnant of the "seed of the woman" - those Jews who resist Satan but didn't flee to the wilderness.) anyway, if Jesus returns in glory, raptures the church, then procedes to judge the earth, then these two witness are prophesying for what must be well over 5 months, while Jesus and the armies of heaven kind of hang in the sky until all these plagues are finished, then as the two witnesses are being killed, Jesus is setting foot on the Mount of Olives. As the two witnesses are lying dead in the streets of Jerusalem while the whole world parties and sends presents to each other, Jesus is throwing the antichrist and the false prophet into the lake of fire. As the two witnesses come back to life and are called into heaven in the sight of all, Jesus is gatherering the nations to the valley of Jehosaphat for judgment. It just doesn't work. markdseyler@yahoo.com |
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