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1 | Rebuild a Temple? | Rev 11:1 | Taleb | 78706 | ||
Where does Scripture prophesy the rebuilding of a temple in Israel, other than those which have ALREADY been fulfilled? | ||||||
2 | Rebuild a Temple? | Rev 11:1 | Searcher56 | 78707 | ||
Scripture ... Mat 24:15, 2 The 2:4, Rev 11:1 ... The abomination of desolation includes 1290 and 1335 days (Dan 9:27, 11:31, 12:11) which did occur before Matthew 24:15 ... but doesn't fit in AD 70. Still need to know the specific dates. You may also want to say 2 Thessalonians 2:4 happened in AD 70. Who "took his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God" ... even if one person did, it can happen again. Revelation 11:1 was written after AD 70. Searcher |
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3 | Rebuild a Temple? | Rev 11:1 | Taleb | 78728 | ||
Searcher, you are right, almost. The 1290 days and the 1335 days don’t fit in Matthew 24:15 because Dan 11 and 12 WERE BOTH FULFILLED TOGETHER during the Babylonian’s destruction of the Temple. However, Daniel 9:23-27 FITS Matthew 24:15 perfectly. During that same 1st century time period, during that destruction of Israel, Dan. 9:27; Matt, 24:15; 2 Thess 2:4, plus every other prophecies written by John, Paul, Peter, and the Old Testament, concerning those events - were fulfilled. THE MESSIAH (the only ONE EVER) "JESUS" WAS CUT OFF not for Himself, but for us on the cross (Dan 9:26), then 37 years later, the city and Temple were destroyed by the prince Titus and he put a stop to the sacrifices, he posed himself as God in the temple, and then the “end of Israel” came. ALL EXACTLY AS HISTORY PROVES happened. To believe otherwise means there is going to be another Messiah cut off not for himself but others. What “proof” do you have that Revelations 11 was written after 70 A.D. because I have a number that say otherwise. Even some who don't agree with my "view". Be suspicous of any who tell you the exact dates. I think you will find those who date it later dated it to fit their doctrine. Searcher, if I may borrow your line - I think you need to rethink your view. Respectfully, Taleb |
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4 | Rebuild a Temple? | Rev 11:1 | Searcher56 | 78733 | ||
Did Jesus talk about Daniel's prophecy in the future tense, since He used the word, "WHEN"? It is impossible for the "when" to be in the past. You said "The 1290 days and the 1335 days don’t fit in Matthew 24:15" ... therefore, I clearly see that what He was talking about our future. Plus, did any Roman came into the Temple to declare himself to be (a) god? I believe he would have been killed there, or when he returned to Rome. I have proven my point again ... you have no defense about the "when" ... by your own words. |
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5 | Rebuild a Temple? | Rev 11:1 | Taleb | 78775 | ||
Searcher, you’ve proven what point again? I’ve yet to see any of your points “proven” on this thread. Did I ever deny Jesus’ “when” wasn’t in the disciple’s future? Why does "when" have to 2,000 years after the facts? Because some fiction writer who doesn’t take Jesus at His word, as so many others do? Where do you get the wild idea Jesus was talking about “1290 days and the 1335 days as future”? To put it in plain English - Jesus KNEW the 1290 days AND the 1335 days referred to times past. He KNEW IT were fulfilled during the Babylonian conquest. His Disciples KNEW the 1290 days AND the 1335 days were fulfilled. Jesus and His disciples KNEW that Daniel 9:23-27 was DUE TO BE FULFILLED, and soon. It only had 40 years to go in order to accurately fulfill what Daniel said would happen within 490 years time. This accounts for why so many false Christs that Jesus warned about took place prior to 70 A.D. The times were ripe because Daniel PROMSISED the Messiah would come - when Jesus showed up on time, that is why so many accepted Him. But when he hadn't freed them from the Roman's - well ... If your “sources dare to suggest” that Jesus was referring to the Dan 11 and 12 portions – it’s past time to exchange that erroneous material for qualified truth. Reading Daniel instead of what books say about it helps. From Daniel you can ONLY learn that Daniel prayed in behalf of God’s people. Gabriel tells Daniel about the 70 weeks from the rebuilding of Jerusalem to the death of Jesus Christ, the Messiah whose life would be cut off, would be EXACTLY 490 years. THIS IS THE PROPHECY that Jesus reminded the disciples, as they left the same temple which had been rebuilt as was going to be soon destroyed, according to DANIEL 9’s prophecy. Don’t you notice which temple they left is the one Jesus said will be destroyed as Daniel said it would in Daniel 9:23-27? What’s with the word “WHEN” in reference to proving it’s still in the future? THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS AWAY UNTIL ALL IS FULFILLED. A generation is exactly 40 years. Is it a coincidence that exactly 40 years would pass from Jesus’ death until the same temple Jesus pointed out would be destroyed? “Do you see all THESE stones, not one will be left upon another?” He sure wasn’t talking about some “future temple” that STILL isn’t. He WAS talking about what was then and would NEVER exist again. Adam Clarke states; “Most learned men agree that the death of Christ happened at the passover in the month Nisan, in the four thousand seven hundred and forty-sixth year of the Julian period. Four hundred and ninety years, reckoned back from the above year, leads us directly to the month Nisan in the four thousand two hundred and fifty-sixth year of the same period; the very month and year in which Ezra had his commission from Artaxerxes king of Persia, (see Ezra 7:9), to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. See the commission in Ezra 7:11-26” About that Roman that you don’t believe did what was done. Was History your worse subject in school, or is it you just don’t believe what it says about what the Romans did in fact do in the temple? Did you know Josephus is available to you on the internet? I copied some for you to read a little. “And now the Romans, upon the flight of the seditious into the city, and upon the burning of the holy house itself, and of all the buildings round about it, brought their ensigns to the temple (24) and set them over against its eastern gate; and there did they offer sacrifices to them, and there did they make Titus imperator (25) with the greatest acclamations of joy.” Do you have any idea what “abomination of desolation” means to the Jew? Once again I have proven my point with Scripture, HIS-story, AND FACTS from reliable sources, and not from some late great planet earth type work. :) Respectfully, Taleb |
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6 | Pick prophcies we want, ignore others? | Rev 11:1 | Searcher56 | 78804 | ||
Matt 24:15 "Therefore WHEN you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), You said ... If your "sources dare to suggest" that Jesus was referring to the Dan 11 and 12 portions - it's past time to exchange that erroneous material for qualified truth. I have not checked any experts, yet. But, if you want to take away (pick and choose what you want) from Scripture, so be it. Well ... it is the same the false Christs and prophets have done and will do. You and your sources have no basis to exclude part of what Daniel said. But, let us see what the Bible says: Dan 9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." ... Do you see "abomination of desolation" in this passage which you have used ... or does it say "wing of abominations". Choose one. Dan 11:31 "Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation." ... Do you see "abomination of desolation" in this passage which you don't want? Yes or no - choose one. ... What does the context say? Dan 12:11 "From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days." ... Do you see "abomination of desolation" in this passage which you don't want? Yes or no - choose one. ... What does the context say? You ask ... Where do you get the wild idea Jesus was talking about "1290 days and the 1335 days as future"? Jesus said "WHEN" He was pointing forward, not to the past. If you think otherwise, you need to study the Greek and maybe even English. Hotan is the word for when ... Apo is the word for since, that I think He would have used. The word "WHEN" is key ... if He was pointing back, He would have said "SINCE". A partially fulfilled prophecy is not fulfilled. If I would to say someone is coming in 15 days to preach and sing "Blue Suede Shoes" and wearing them ... if someone came in 11 days to preach and sang "Blue Suede Shoes" and wearing them ... what I said hasn't been fulfilled. ... if someone came in 15 days to and sang "Blue Suede Shoes" and wearing them ... what I said hasn't been fulfilled. ... SINCE this verse was only partially fulfilled, I am waiting for WHEN it is completely fulfilled. You have questions to answer ... In Dan 9:27, do you see "abomination of desolation" ... or does it say "wing of abominations". Choose one. ... In Dan 11:31, do you see "abomination of desolation" in this passage? Yes or no - choose one. ... What does the context say? ... In Dan 12:11, do you see "abomination of desolation" in this passage? Yes or no - choose one. ... What does the context say? ... Who gave you the authority to pick and choose which parts of the prophecy of Daniel? |
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7 | Pick prophcies we want, ignore others? | Rev 11:1 | justme | 78853 | ||
Searcher56: Hi, Justme here. May I offer an observation in your dialogue with Taleb? I hope you said yes. I think Taleb may be of the Almillennial view of understanding Scripture. Correct me, but I think after reading your notes, you may be in the Dispensational Premillennial understanding of Scripture. At least your dialogue gave me the hint of this. If this is the case neither of you is likely to get the other to change their view. Both views can be held to the light, and have valid representation in past theologians and Biblical scholors. The same can be said for thelogians of today. Even though this seems like a major difference of understanding Scripture, there is no reason to not enjoy a good serious debate. I enjoyed your notes and use of scripture to back your position. Personally, I take Matthew 24 and 25:1-13 and let Jesus speak exact, and perfectly as Jesus said it would be. I keep it in context with the rest of subsequent verses in Scripture and if my view does not agree. I back up and see what it is Jesus said that I don't understand. Everything must agree with what Jesus said, or I have a misunderstanding. That makes sense to me, this is not always simple, and requires more study, from my perspective. Peace and blessings. justme |
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