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1 | What is a "carnal" Christian? | 1 John 3:10 | Radioman2 | 91913 | ||
What is a "carnal" Christian? Greetings, CurtMan: I'm not sure exactly what it is you are asking in your post, ID# 91690. Do you mean: What is a "carnal" Christian?; and Can a "carnal" Christian fall from grace and lose his salvation? If this is what you are asking, then let's take one question at a time. Q: What is a "carnal" Christian? A: Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 'carnal 'Compare 1 Corinthians 3:1,4. "Carnal" ("fleshly") is Paul's word for the Adamic nature, and for the believer who "walks," i.e. lives, under the power of it. "Natural" is his characteristic word for the unrenewed man (1 Corinthians 2:14), as "spiritual" designates the renewed man who walks in the Spirit (1 Corinthians 3:1; Galatians 6:1.)' (Scofield, C.I. "Scofield Reference Notes on Romans 7". "Scofield Reference Notes (1917 Edition)". (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/ScofieldReferenceNotes/) I would go with this definition of carnal. It seems justified by Paul's use of the term in Scripture. So one definition of a "carnal" Christian is: 'the believer who walks, i.e. lives, under the power of the Adamic nature ("human nature" (GNT); "the sinful nature" (NLT); "the corrupt nature" (GOD's WORD)).' Q: Can a "carnal" Christian fall from grace and lose his salvation? (CurtMan, I realize this is not how you worded your question, but am I correct in assuming that this is what is implied in your question, "at some point and time their eternal resting-place becomes an issue. My focus is on the fact that they were Carnal and they were Saints, What’s your take on this?"?) A: Are they Christians? Were they ever Christians? 1 John 3:9-10 (ESV) No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. [10] By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother. If they are born-again believers, carnal or otherwise, is it possible for them to fall from grace and lose their salvation? 'Scripture abundantly affirms the Christian's eternal security; therefore it is not true that believers in Christ can lose their salvation. See Jn 3:15-16, 36; 10:27-30; Rom 8:35,37-39; Eph 1:12-14; 4:30; Phil 1:6; Heb 10:12-14; 1 Pet 1:3-5" (note at Heb 6:4, New Scofield Reference Bible, Oxford, 1967).' CurtMan, if I have answered questions you did not ask or not answered questions you did ask, please let me know. Also, if my answer needs more explanation or clarification, let me know. I'll do my best to address your question(s). Grace to you, Radioman2 |
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2 | What is a "carnal" Christian? | 1 John 3:10 | TheCurtMan | 92102 | ||
RM2, Actually I think that you've answered my questions quite well. Thanks. I've heard many different answers to a Carnal Christian, and some of them run borderline to a complete joke, nothing that one could actually take seriously. I do have one other question. How do I go by locating a question or comment by the reference no? Such as 91913? I had to take the long way around and it was quite time consumming. |
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3 | What is a "carnal" Christian? | 1 John 3:10 | Radioman2 | 92118 | ||
CurtMan: I have posted additional information on the subject of the carnal Christian. To read those posts, go to: ID# 92042 and ID# 92052. To read the article that I quoted in those posts, go to: (www.founders.org/FJ16/article2.html) and (www.founders.org/FJ17/article2.html) Following are additional quotes from that article which were not posted previously: 'The question we have to consider is: Does the Bible divide Christians into two categories? This is the issue at the heart of the "Carnal Christian" teaching.' ____________________ 'It is one thing to speak and teach that Christians have carnal out-breaks, which is biblical, but it is another thing altogether to make a third class or category of men--"Carnal Christians."' ____________________ 'To interpret 1 Corinthians 3:1-4, therefore, in such a way as to divide men into three classes [--natural man, carnal man and spiritual man--] is to violate the cardinal rule of interpretation.' ____________________ 'The most doctrinal portion of the New Testament is the epistle to the Romans, and on this all reasonable Bible scholars and theologians would agree. Most scholars (if not all) would further agree that Paul's epistle to the Galatians is the second most doctrinal portion of the New Testament. The first epistle to the church at Corinth is primarily dealing with practical problems in the church:' 'These two passages [Romans 8:1-9 and Galatians 5:17-24] simply set out what the rest of the Bible clearly teaches, namely, that there are only two classes or categories of men and within these two classes there may be many shades and degrees. To interpret 1 Corinthians 3:1-4, therefore, in such a way as to divide men into three classes [--natural man, carnal man and spiritual man--] is to violate the cardinal rule of interpretation. This rule requires us to interpret all single passages in the light of the whole, to interpret all subordinate passages in the light of the leading truth, or to interpret all obscure passages in the light of clear passages.' ****************************** To answer your question about locating a post by its ID#: On the Home Page, in the upper right-hand corner you will find a box labeled "Quick Search". Under the words "Quick Search" you will see "Word(s) or ID#". Underneath that type in the actual ID number, for example: 91913 Do not type in "ID#". Just type the number (for example: 91913) by itself. This will take you directly to the posting you are looking for. Radioman2 |
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4 | What is a "carnal" Christian? | 1 John 3:10 | TheCurtMan | 92208 | ||
RM2, Thanks for the info. The CurtMan |
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