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1 | Questions on the Divine Nature | 2 Pet 1:4 | prazn | 85732 | ||
Does a believer partake of the divine nature of Christ through the observance of religious tradition/ritual or through real/genuine relationship with the Master? Are we, who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, conformed to His image by what we ingest in the natural or what we ingest in the supernatural? Is communion with the Lord merely the ingestion of the natural elements of communion (i.e., bread and wine) or is it "heart to heart" communion with our Lord through the reading (ingestion) of His word (our spiritual bread) and by allowing Him to minister to us through His Holy Spirit (our spiritual wine)? |
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2 | Questions on the Divine Nature | 2 Pet 1:4 | Emmaus | 85733 | ||
prazn, Was your question merely rhetorical, requiring no answer? If so, it would have been better to post it as a note. The way you phrase your question presumes the answer you already have in mind. The phrasing of the question assumes that Holy Communion as understood by those who believe in the Real Presence is a mere (empty) ritual compared to a "real relationship with the Master." You continue in your post to assume a mutually exclusive relationship between the natural and the supernatural.The two are not mutually exclusive as presumed by the phrasing of your question. That was the whole point of the Incarnation. It is also the point of sacraments in which God uses the natural to convey the supernatural. But underlying your post is a question of importance. I would phrase it this way. Can someone receive the spiritual / supernatural benefits of a sacrament if he or she is not properly disposed spiritually. The answer, even for those who believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist is no. In fact as St. Paul makes clear in 1 Cor 11:27-30 you can actually suffer ill effects. Think about it. Judas, for example, had a real personal relationship with Jesus. But was he cursed or blessed because of his personal spiritual disposition compared to the other apostles who had a similar personal relationship, but different spiritual dispositions? Catholics, for example believe that the sacraments are effective regardless of the personal sanctity of the minister because they believe it is Christ Himself acting through the sacrament and it is the virtue of Christ that effects the grace not the minister. But Christ although He mnistered to Judas, was not effective because Judas was not receptive. Think also of the other times in the Gospels when Jesus could not heal in his own town because the people did not believe. So, the Catholic Church teaches: "From the moment that a sacrament is is celebrated in accordance with the intention of the Church, the power of Christ and his Spirit acts in and through it, independently of the personal holiness of the minister. Nevertheless, the fruits of the sacraments also depend on the disposition of the one who receives them." The Catechism, number 1128. Emmaus |
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3 | What are "Sacraments" | 2 Pet 1:4 | prazn | 85748 | ||
Thank you for your response, Emmaus. I don't know what "sacraments" are. Please identify the scriptures in the Holy Bible that refer to "sacraments". Specifically, which scriptures define what "sacraments" are; and, which scriptures explain the benefits, to the partaker, of partaking in them? Forgive me, but I'm not familiar with the teachings of the Catholic church and do not ascribe to the teachings of man (for the wisdom of man is foolishness with God). The Lord Himself teaches me through His word (i.e., the Bible) and through the Holy Spirit which resides in everyone who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ and has received Him as their personal Lord and Savior. I dismiss any doctrine of man that is contrary to the word of God. Respectfully, Prazn |
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4 | What are "Sacraments" | 2 Pet 1:4 | gracefull | 85776 | ||
Good question, "what we ingest in the supernatural?" YES I believe the answer is threefold... Point One: It is impossible to partake of the divine nature if one is not born again. This is the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit. John 3:3,6 3.Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Point two: We as believers have a new born spirit supernaturally provided through the new birth and have also been given all the tools we need to partake in this divine nature. These are supernatural...We can't KNOW Him except He show Himself to us by the Holy Spirit. 2 Peter 1:2-4 2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, 3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. Point three: We have a responsibility in this process without which we will not develop as we should. We are CHANGED AS WE GO. Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. James 1:21-23 21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted Word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. 23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: To partake in the divine nature only requires us believing and doing His Word, and the transforming is the work of the Holy Spirit. God bless |
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