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1 | Is this baptism by the Holy Spirit? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 78401 | ||
Sctipture ... 1 Pet 3:18-22 ... For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; (19) in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, (20) who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. (21) Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (22) who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him. Does the baptism refer to water baptism, or that by the Holy Spirit (1Co 12:13, 2Co 3:17 and Gal 3:26-27)? 1 Pet 3:21 talks about the conscience and says this is not about removal of dirt from the flesh. I see it is baptism by the Holy Spirit through Christ's resurrection. The water (vs 20) didn't save Noah's 8, nor did it remove of dirt from the flesh, unless they were outside while it was rain. Could it be that "corresponding to that" (vs 21) refers back to "safely" (vs 20)? It was Noah's faith and obedience that saved him (Heb 11:7). Searcher |
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2 | Is this baptism by the Holy Spirit? | 1 Pet 3:21 | disciplerami | 78406 | ||
I think what you are asking is worth considering. Consider the remarkable demonstration of God in the outpouring of the Holy Spirit Baptism (Acts 2; 10): is that what Peter is talking about? I must admit that in all my days I've never been commanded to be baptized by the Holy Spirit! Do you command people to be baptized of the Holy Spirit? And does Holy Spirit Baptism save you? Can you be saved without Holy Spirit tongue speaking tongues of fire with accompanying sound of a violent rushing wind BAPTISM? Now we know Peter did command water baptism, "And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ..." - Acts 10:48 I don't think anyone ever commanded someone to Holy Spirit Baptized. :) Seriously, to answer your question Searcher, I'm pretty sure the water of the flood is a foreshadowing of water baptism and NOT Holy Spirit baptism. I agree with your last line: "It was Noah's faith and obedience that saved him (Heb 11:7)." This is how we are saved through water baptism. The salvation is from God as we have faith and obedience. Have a good day. |
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3 | Is this baptism by the Holy Spirit? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 78473 | ||
Scripture ...Acts 2:38, 10:44-48, 15:7-8, 19:2; Rom 12:4-7; 1 Cor 6:19, 12:13; Eph 1:13; Tit 3:5, 1 Jo 2:20, 27 Disciplerami, I was hoping others would share. The view that 1 Peter 3:21 is not water baptism is a minority view. You asked, "Do you command people to be baptized of the Holy Spirit?" ... I do not know of a command to be baptized by the Holy Spirit ... but there may be groups that say differently. You asked, "Does Holy Spirit Baptism save you?" ... We receive the Holy Spirit at conversion and I would say we are baptized by Him, then. -1 Corinthians 12:13 says "we were all baptized in the Spirit." Based on the context, I believe it is at conversion, when becoming part of the (one) body. -The gift of the Holy Spirit is received when one repents (Acts 2:38). -Paul was expecting the Holy Spirit to be received then people believed (Acts 19:2). -In Acts 10:44-48, we see Cornelius and Company receive the Holy Spirit. Note in this passage, there is no "sinner's prayer", going forward, et. al. -In Acts 15:7-8, He purifies, which I believe what baptism is. Also, we are -Regenerated by the Spirit (Tit 3:5) -Anointed by the Spirit (1 Jo 2:20, 27) -Indwelt by the Spirit (1 Cor 6:19) -Sealed by the Spirit (Eph 1:13) -Enabled with spiritual gifts (Rom 12:4-7; 1 Cor 12) Can you be saved without Holy Spirit tongue speaking tongues of fire with accompanying sound of a violent rushing wind BAPTISM? ... This only happened once, so the answer is yes. One question for you. Do you believe there are two baptisms ... one inwardly, by the Holy Spirit and other outwardly, by "immersion"? Searcher |
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4 | Is this baptism by the Holy Spirit? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Ray | 78528 | ||
Hi Searcher, You have put in a lot of time and work on this and I am sure that you are appreciated. I don't know where a lot of you have the time; don't we all have families? My girls are all skiing so I have time.:) I am one in the minority for believing that 1 Peter 3:21 is not speaking of water baptism. I see no water in any of the verses you have referenced. We will differ on some of the Scriptures because of my lower case rendering of holy spirit, but I believe our thoughts are the same, Searcher. My thought on being commanded to be baptized by the Holy Spirit: We are not commanded to be baptized by the Holy Spirit, because that would mean that we would have control over God and His will. However, I believe that Jesus baptized with the holy spirit [sic] and we are told to be filled with the holy spirit [sic]. "Does Holy Spirit baptism save you?": Here again I will differ from others because I see the holy spirit and the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures. My study has been with capitalization through the years. I believe that Jesus baptized with the holy spirit and if one received that holy spirit, that word of truth, that good news of the kingdom, that spirit of love, then they were saved. We too, are to be filled with this holy spirit. The holy spirit is a gift, a promise to everyone, to "as many as the Lord our God shall call to Himself." Acts 2:38. When the people received these and other words and knew Jesus as both Lord and Christ, having been baptized with the holy spirit, they were baptized in water. A very similar situation compared to Acts 8 with the eunuch and Acts 9 with Paul. They were filled with holy spirit and preached and proclaimed Jesus as the Son of God. 1 Corinthians 6:17, "But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him. ...18 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?" So you see, I believe in the baptism, filling, receiving of the holy spirit but also the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. I had best leave off here and see if I made any sense to you; but that is the way that I interpret things so far. God is not finished with us yet and I have pencil and eraser ready. From the heart, Ray |
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5 | Is this baptism by the Holy Spirit? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Searcher56 | 78532 | ||
I get up three hours before they do on the weekend. I can study, even beyond my quiet time in Exodus. I thought about this answer last night, taking notes as we watched TV. I take time out during the day to respond. |
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