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1 | Should I leave, or stay? | 1 Pet 2:1 | Beja | 224144 | ||
justme, I know that you can support what the husband ought to be doing with scriptures. But can you support your instructing her to seperate from her husband with scripture of any kind? In Christ, Beja |
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2 | Should I leave, or stay? | 1 Pet 2:1 | justme | 224147 | ||
Beja 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 Paul is addressing in verse 11 the part if a spouse leaves. There are reasons a wife would leave. Paul clearly stresses for separated partners to be reconciled. With that in mind examine a reason a christian wife would want to separate from her husband. This would be under the assumption her husband was a christian. There is no Scripture that says a husband or wife must stay living under the same roof with an abusive, drunken, unsafe, spouse. Can you support Scripture saying a spouse is allowed to be abusive to the other partner? I say this with respect and kindness Beja. In my ministry I have seen far too many wives submit to husbands who demanded "Biblical Submition". These men were not examples of a christian husband in any way. Those abusive husbands demanding submition, were involved in drunkeness, drug addictions, and physical abuse to the point of endangering the entire family. Wives and children have endured sexual violence and trauma that have life long physical, emotional and spiritual damage. I know of no place in the Bible that condemns a wife or children to such hell on earth. If anyone thinks a minister can be aware of abuse and not report it to the proper authorities, then they are in violation of the laws of our land. Slavery was outlawed in the nineteenth century. I am dogmatic on these points. Blessings. justme |
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3 | Should I leave, or stay? | 1 Pet 2:1 | Beja | 224148 | ||
justme, For lack of writing skills allow me to use numbers to organize my thoughts. 1.) You wrote that in 1 Cor 7:10-11 the situation of if the wife should happen to leave. From there you conclude that there are therefore reasons that the wife would leave. Lets examine the verses. 1Co 7:10 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband 1Co 7:11 (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife. So these verses start with a very clear command that the wife is to not leave. It then says that if she should do that thing which he just commanded not to do, then she is not to get remmarried. This does not at all look like it is giving circumstance in which the wife may leave. I think to infer from this passage that there must be reasons a wife can leave, and from there to make the remarkable leap that we should as you said "With that in mind examine a reason a Christian wife would want to seperate from her husband" is quite simply an abuse of the text. 2.) You ask if I know anywhere in scripture that permits a husband to do such things. Absolutely not, nor have I argued any such thing. The question is not at all whether a husband should do things like this. The question is what should a believing wife do in response. 3.) So, that leads us to the third point. Can I provide scripture to support the notion that a spouse is to remain with a husband that is acting in an ungodly way? Yes I can. 1Pe 3:1,2 In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior. It says that wives "in the same way." In the same way as what? Well, we have two options. Previously it has discussed slaves being submissive to masters who are being unreasonable towards them. But, the even closer context is Peter discussing how Christ willingly submitted to wicked men for the sake of bringing salvation. So the context is that wives, just as Christ suffered in ways He didn't deserve, and submitted himself willingly to this, so also wives are to submit to husbands, even ones who are "disobediant to the word." Why? So that through their willing and submissive sufferings they may be converted by the wife's conduct. So yes, I can very much provide scripture to support the wife staying with a husband who is being quite ungodly. So, since this is the clear testimony of scripture, I personally would want a very good scriptural reason to contradict it in counseling a woman. So I ask, what scriptural support do you have to simply give a wife permission to leave her husband? I take no joy in asking a wife to endure such a thing. It is truely a horrific thought. But dare I contradict scripture? The question of a ministers responsibility under such circumstances isn't really under discussion. The question simply being what does God expect of the wife? In Christ, Beja |
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