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1 | Ridding myself of guilt and fear | James 5:16 | happy soul | 235301 | ||
Hello Steve: wow, that is the first time I have ever heard anyone explain obedient faith like you did when you said that 'I must think' "...that one will obey completely all that the Lord commands. And if that one is disobedient in anything, he or she is not a Christian!" As if this is my idea of what it means to have an obedient faith. How absurd! We are Christ's when we clothe ourselves with Christ by being buried with Him in baptism and putting to death our old self by no longer "allowing" sin to rule over us; sacrificing 'self' to Live for Christ; and we continue to be Christ's when we choose to live in the spirit by not continuing wilfully to commit acts that are ungodly as is stated in Galations 5:16-26 16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that you cannot do the things that you would. 18But if you be led of the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. Of course we are still Christians, but just because we have become Christians does not mean that the devil is no longer walking about seeking whom he may devour. And, if someone believes that we are totally absolved of ALL of our actions (including sinfulness) through the blood of Christ then why would Paul instruct the Galations in this passage to continue to walk in the Spirit and not fulfill the lusts of the flesh?? Those who believe that once saved always saved are being deceived by Satan, and I am praying that their eyes be opened to the truth. In Christ, happy soul |
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2 | Ridding myself of guilt and fear | James 5:16 | srbaegon | 235307 | ||
I think you mistook my words. I did not define obedient faith that way, but assumed you defined it that way because of the language you used. In fact your response solidifies my assumption, because you clearly state a four-fold obligation by a person in order to become and remain Christ's: 1) "We are Christ's when we clothe ourselves with Christ by being buried with Him in baptism and 2) putting to death our old self by no longer 'allowing' sin to rule over us; 3) sacrificing 'self' to Live for Christ; and 4) we continue to be Christ's when we choose to live in the spirit by not continuing willfully to commit acts that are ungodly..." I agree with the first, because it comes straight out of Romans 6, but even there, you have lumped the whole together to make the entire act of salvation one of your works. Or to say it differently, you appear to be saying that the Lord Jesus made a way possible to be saved, but we have to work our very hardest to become and remain saved. What am I missing? Steve |
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3 | Ridding myself of guilt and fear | James 5:16 | happy soul | 235316 | ||
Hello Steve: What you are missing, or maybe what I'm not conveying clearly enough is that I know and understand that we as humans cannot "save ourselves" by anything that we "do". However, God does expect us to have faith unto obedience in order to live in accordance with His will (not our own). We certainly cannot expect that Christ died for sinners, and yet would allow them to continue living in their sinful state, can we? If this were the case, then why did Paul write letters to the churches explaining to them to change and turn from their sinful behavior? How do we explain that? Should we continue in sin that Grace may abound, as Paul wrote in Romans 6:1? and Paul further answers his own question with, "God Forbid!" I was not trying to convey that we have to work our very hardest to become and remain saved (only God's grace can save us). But we cannot expect God to overlook someone continuing to live in sin and not abide in HIS will, when everything that is written in God's word points to the contrary. And I was also trying to convey that we have to deny 'self', take up our cross and follow Christ in order to be His disciple. See John 6:51 “I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” And John 10:11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.” From these two verses, we learn that Jesus came as the suffering Messiah, the suffering Christ, who gave His life, who died for the sins of the world. However, Peter did not want to hear that about Jesus. Peter pulled Jesus aside and started to rebuke Him, but then Jesus had an interesting come back. For He told Peter, Mark. 8:33 “You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.” What did Jesus mean by that? The Apostle Paul defines it in this way from Rom. 8:6-7 The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. We are a lot like Peter. We allow our sinful mind to be worldly and hostile toward God. We don’t like God’s plan and purpose for us. We want our road in life to be smooth, easy, with as few hassles as possible. We want to live our lives based on our own desires and feelings. It’s like when some people say, “Oh, yeah. I believe Jesus suffered, He died and rose for me, but I don’t want Jesus to be my LORD. For Jesus to be my LORD –that means that I have to make some changes and this is too heavy of a commitment for me. What counts to me is what I can get right now. I have things to do and things to take care of. What is important to me is ME, MYSELF, AND I.” Our way of life is to think of ourselves and our own happiness – which is selfish and self-centered. Yet, Jesus said, “Deny yourself.” [Mark 8:34] We tend to lead our lives of self satisfaction. We want to control our own life’s destiny. However, Jesus is teaching you and me that by denying yourself — is to know that there is more to life than things, possessions, and the like. To deny oneself is to stop worrying or being anxious about things. When you worry, you are focusing on yourself. But when we focus on Christ, we are centered in God’s will and purpose in our lives. When you deny yourself, you are looking up to God for guidance, even if that guidance goes contrary to our own thoughts. For God said, in Isaiah 55:8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.” I hope that this helps clarify my thoughts? In Christ, happy soul |
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