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1 | Homosexual are picked on in the church? | James 2:1 | journey_me | 177339 | ||
First off I said a lot more in that argument, and you are doing just as you accuse me of doing, which is the problem when humans ineract. I was just wondering why he picked murder and rape and robbery, instead adultery, prostitution, lying, or cheating? In the example, the people that were given over to lust were not believers, and that is why God gave them over. Being born again is not istantaneous, it is an ongoing process that you have to invest in everyday. You can't go to church and be born again and that's it. You have to walk in the word and sorry that takes time even for the most humble. If Jesus was alive today, I don't think he would attack. He will show them the way. You are stereotyping, and that is why the gay community turns away from the church. There are people who are gay that knows it's wrong, but when they come to Christians they are attacked, so where do they go. They go to the gay community where they are fed mistruths. All you have to do is teach God and the bible, and if they are truly saved Jesus will lead the way. We all are an abomination in one way or another. You also missed my point, 10 percent or less of the population practice homosexuality. As much 50 percent of the population practice sex outside of marriage. I believe sexual immorality is an abomination. The bible spends a lot more time on topic of fornication than it does homosexuality. I have yet to see preachers kick fornicators out of the church. You can go to church now and see a sea of sexual immorality. Lead the crucade because they too are defiling the church with their lust. It's way more of them. 50 percent of marriages end in divorce, lead the crucade. These people bring upon themselves, as well. I am not and have not said that homosexuality is right. Nor will I ever say that, but I will never say that they are not welcome in the house of the Lord. I feel it is our responsibility as Christians to bring them closer to God, and not attack them because we are not homosexuals ourselves. I will never know what they go through and I will never presume that it's something simple or an easy fix. Obviously it's something more than we would understand, and that is why God gave them over to their lust, and those he gave over were non-believers who refused to truth. All gays don't fit into that category. Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Rom 2:1-4 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? 4Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance? |
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2 | Homosexual are picked on in the church? | James 2:1 | mark d seyler | 177347 | ||
Hi Journey me, I'd like to differentiate between the "apparent church" and the "true church". The "apparent church" is composed of those who, for whatever reason, have chosen to identify with Christianity, but who have not actually come into a relationship with God by being born again. The "true church" is composed of those who have been reborn, who are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and who are in the process of being conformed to the image of Jesus. Of the "true church", there are those who are more and those who are less conformed to the image of Christ. Within the "apparent church", there is little if any difference between them and the unchurched, because they are all unsaved, without the transforming power of the Holy Spirit. They will be completely susceptible to any and all sins including sexual immorality of all descriptions, thefts, drug use, lies, judging, hypocrisy, and so on. (I would like to add that according to many sources (university, government) the actual rate of homosexuality is more like 2 percent.) Within the "true church", all of these things will exist as well, but only against the constant struggle of the Spirit working in our lives. I have never been witness to a pastor disfellowshipping a homosexual, but I have seen those who were sexually immoral in other ways disfellowshipped. So I suppose it depends on where you are at the time. :-) No sin is easy to stop, and again, I want to agree with you, that we should not fixate on one sin to the exclusion of others. But we are not commanded any less to repent of sexual sins then of lying or stealing. And the unrepentant thief will not be treated any different by God than the unrepentant sexually immoral - of any brand - and should not be treated any differently by us. I don't know where you live, but you would be welcome to visit the congregation I fellowship in, and I assure you, we do not treat one person different from another. I do not condone those who do. Nor would you, should you come to my congregation, see "a sea of immorality". That is the "apparent church". Not the "true church" I am in a fairly small congregation, which is on fire for the Lord, and those who are not that way tend not to stick around. They find that they just don't fit in. We must do everything in our power to share Christ with all people, and I pray that we both are mightily effective in the power of God to accomplish that. Love in Christ, Mark |
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3 | Homosexual are picked on in the church? | James 2:1 | journey_me | 177352 | ||
I agree. Thanks. I used the 10 percent statistic not for those accounting themeselves as homosexuals, but those who may have done an unnatural sex act at some point. The numbers are smaller than we think, but you wouldn't know from all the press. This is the most response I have ever gotten on a question. Thanks to all, Brad K, Mark, and Hank. Love ya. Keep up the good work!!! |
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