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1 | what does Hebrews 6v4-6 mean? | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 7116 | ||
6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, "impossible "Hebrews 6:4-8 presents the case of Jewish professed believers who halt short of faith in Christ after advancing to the very threshold of salvation, even "going along with" the Holy Spirit in His work of enlightenment and conviction (John 16:8-10). It is not said that they had faith. This supposed person is like the spies at Kadesh-barnea (Deuteronomy 1:19-26) who saw the land and had the very fruit of it in their hands, and yet turned back. "partakers (Greek - iJlavskomai ," going along with)." Bibliography Information Scofield, C.I. "Scofield Reference Notes on Hebrews 6". "Scofield Reference Notes (1917 Edition)". http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/ScofieldReferenceNotes/ 1917. |
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2 | what does Hebrews 6v4-6 mean? | Heb 6:4 | userdoe220 | 9692 | ||
Show me where these terms apply to a person who is not saved in the N.T. and I might look into this belief. The author of Hebrews is clearly talking about people who have "tasted of the heavenly gift...partakers of the Holy Spirit." If I read this passage without the aid of someone telling me what it is suppose to mean, I would never come up with a Calvanistic perspective. Why? I would choose the natural reading of the passage and not try to force it into a particular theological belief. |
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3 | what does Hebrews 6v4-6 mean? | Heb 6:4 | Makarios | 9730 | ||
Ok, schwartzkm, Here's a little different interpretation of these verses.. "6:4-6: These verses are among the most debated in Scripture and have been interpreted in four different ways: (1) as a warning against apostasy or losing salvation; (2) as a judgment against false professors, those who, though professing trust in Christ, in reality are not saved; (3) as a caution against spiritual immaturity, to encourage actual believers to press on to spiritual maturity in order to avoid the discipline of God (as Father, cf. 12:5-11), which would be certain to come if they were to remain stagnant or regress spiritually; and finally, (4) as an assurance to believers through a timely illustration. This latter view interprets the text best. The author of Hebrews does not suggest in these verses that apostasy or falling from salvation is possible. Rather, he provides the strongest possible argument for the impossibility of reinstatement to salvation if one were to fall. The hypothetical spiritual experiences about which the author speaks are clearly those of a genuine believer. Enlightenment is followed by tasting the heavenly gift and sharing in the Holy Spirit. Even the powers of the coming age have been experienced by these Christians. Indeed, the initial phrase of v. 6 could be translated "and having fallen beside." Again the case is hypothetical, referring to the biblical truth that if one could fall from salvation, he could never be saved again. The fact that there is no thought of an actual forfeiture of salvation may be seen elsewhere in Hebrews (cf. 6:19; 10:14), as well as throughout the remainder of the N.T. (cf. Eph 4:30; 2 Tim 1:12; Jude 24). Actually the author of Hebrews is confident in the profession of the recipients of his epistle, as is indicated by v. 9." (Believer's Study Bible) "HEBREWS 6:4: Holy Spirit, Convicts—The Holy Spirit works to convict sinners and lead them to repentance and faith. He also works in the lives of Christians to convict us of sin and to lead us to spiritual growth and maturity. Biblical students are not agreed on which is meant here. At issue is the biblical doctrine of the perseverance of the saints. Hebrews apparently addresses Jewish people who have been intimately connected with the church, possibly becoming church members, and yet have not committed themselves totally in faith to Christ. The message for them is that they cannot stand still. They must decide for or against Christ. Otherwise, they will fall away from Christ, back into Judaism, and they will not have a second chance to respond to the Spirit’s conviction. If addressed to Christians, the text uses strong language to gain attention so as to lead the Christians from lingering doubts to committed faith." (Disciple's Study Bible) "HEBREWS 6:4: It Apostasy: vv. 1-9; Heb 10:29. (Luke 18:8; 2 Tim 3:1, note) 'Impossible' The warning in vv. 6-8 has been understood in various ways. The major interpretations are: (1) The warning is directed to some of the Jewish people who professed to be believers in Christ but stopped short of true faith in Him after advancing to the threshold of salvation. (2) The admonition presents a hypothetical case: if one could "fall away" (v. 6), it would be impossible to renew him again to repentance; for, in such an instance, it would be necessary for Christ to be crucified a second time. Obviously this will not occur (Heb 10:12, 14); thus to fall away is impossible. (3) The warning is directed toward believers who have fallen into sin to such an extent that they have crucified to themselves the Son of God all over again (v. 6) and are therefore disapproved and will lose their reward (see 1 Cor 9:27, note). And (4) the warning is to those who are believers in the Lord Jesus Christ and are in danger of falling away, through unbelief or sin, and losing their salvation. The clause rendered "and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit" (v. 4) might be paraphrased somewhat like this: "and were willingly being led toward the Holy Spirit." The warning is issued to those who have been instructed and even moved by the Holy Spirit but have never committed themselves to Christ. The entire passage turns on the word "better" in v. 9. If all that is written in vv. 1-5 were equivalent to salvation, there could be nothing better. The experiences outlined may precede and even accompany salvation, but they do not always result in salvation. Scripture abundantly affirms the Christian’s eternal security; therefore this passage must not be interpreted as teaching that believers in Christ can lose their salvation. See John 3:15-16, 36; 10:27-30; Rom 8:35, 37-39; Eph 1:12-14; 4:30; Phil 1:6; Heb 10:12-14; 1 Pet 1:3-5. Ghost Holy Spirit (N.T.): v. 4; Heb 9:8. (Mat 1:18; Acts 2:4, note)" (New Scofield Study Bible) My wealth of resources has grown considerably since I wrote that last post (06/09). Let me know if you still don't like these. I have more. Nolan |
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4 | what does Hebrews 6v4-6 mean? | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 9735 | ||
Nolan: You still don't get it? We have been advised to assassinate our brains, throw out all our study Bibles and reference books, forget the fact that Christ has given to the church teachers and that many of those gifted teachers write books. Instead, we are to pretend that we already know everything we need to know. That the best method of interpretation is to read the text of the Bible and whatever comes to mind first must automatically be the right interpretation. And, if you ever do need help, you don't need people like Dr. Ryrie, Dr. Scofield, Dr. Stanley, or Dr. MacArthur. Just consult your local Lone Ranger self-appointed Forum Bible expert. This makes sense, does it not? Not. |
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5 | what does Hebrews 6v4-6 mean? | Heb 6:4 | Hank | 9745 | ||
JVH, along the thread of your post concerning the use of study Bibles and other scholarly aids to the understanding and interpretation of Scripture: Indeed, why not presume that they are, the whole lot of them, just so much unnecessary hogwash and throw them out! What does one need to take with him except perhaps a rudimentary knowledge of English in order to understand and interpret one of the most complex books ever written?...... Somewhere in the world there must be a parrot who can recite John 3:16 with precision. Perhaps there is an exceptionally bright parrot who can quote the 23rd Psalm without hesitation. If a parrot can do it without the use of a study Bible, why can't we. Of course, the parrot has no idea of what his words mean, but that doesn't trouble the parrot. Why should it then bother us? --Hank | ||||||
6 | what does Hebrews 6v4-6 mean? | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 9755 | ||
Hank: I see you get it. (And I know Nolan gets it, too.) You've made some very good observations here. Weeks or months ago, I posted the thought that a lot of people are quoting a lot of Bible verses without knowing what the words in those verses mean. If the Holy Spirit in me plus the text of the Bible alone always equaled the right interpretation, then pray tell, why do 20 supposedly Spirit-illuminated people read the same passage and come up with 20 different interpretations? There is some weakness in either the Bible, the Holy Spirit, or the individual. Well, I wonder which one it is. We could post these thoughts every day for 1,000 days and some still would not get it. |
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7 | what does Hebrews 6v4-6 mean? | Heb 6:4 | EdB | 9797 | ||
JVH0212 You have brought up one of the biggest mysteries I see. I think we could all agree R.C. Sproul, John MacArthur and Jack Hayford are about equally intelligent men, have about the same theological training, have spent about that same amount of time studying scripture. I think it safe to say all three are saved, all three are spirit filled, all three know the voice of God. Yet there are significant passages in the Bible the each of these three would differ on, security of the believer, pre/post/mid trib, pre/post/a millennialism, Pretrerist, Historicist, Futurist, Pentecostalism, Arminianism, Calvinism and etc. Does the fact that any of these not agree with the other, stupider than the other? I think not! Does it say that one is closer to God than the other maybe but I doubt it. What could cause this problem? I’m not sure. I think the problems stems from the fact that each is trying to support a different doctrine. In any case this is why we have so many denominations. |
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8 | what does Hebrews 6v4-6 mean? | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 9801 | ||
EdB: You make a good point here. Yours is a very interesting observation, one that deserves serious consideration. And, may I add, the doctrines on which these three men would disagree are all considered secondary (not trivial, not unimportant, but secondary) doctrinal issues. None fits the category of the essentials of the Christian faith, i.e., the basic doctrines of the Bible. (See previous postings for a definition and discussions of what is meant by essentials vs. secondary issues.) For example, acceptance or rejection of tongues, Calvinism, the rapture doctrine, etc. does not determine whether one is going to heaven. These are secondary issues. On the other hand, if one does not believe in the Trinity of God or the Deity of Christ, then, by definition, one is NOT a Christian. The Deity of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity are examples of the essentials of the Christian faith. What we believe about these two issues has everything to do with whether we are Christians. |
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9 | what does Hebrews 6v4-6 mean? | Heb 6:4 | EdB | 9815 | ||
JVH0212 Your absolutely right when I said these men disagreed I meant on secondary issues not essential truths. These three men stand in total agreement of the essential truths of Christianity and I should have made that clear. Denominations and debates within Christianity is not as many people suppose a disagreement over the essential truths of Christianity, but rather over secondary issues that have no real effect on the Jesus Christ, His work on the cross, salvation, or any other part that defines orthodox Christianity. Let that be perfectly clear. Also let it be known JVH0212 and I do publicly agree sometime! :-) Love you my Brother Be blessed and be a Blessing Ed |
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